From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Cryptonomicon I know exacly what you mean. And that wierd air-conditioning feel. And the blank, sourceless (multisourced), light, without dept or perspective. The separation, the "wrong" acoustics. If these places were older, they would host many, many, ghosts. The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: > I worked at night for a while, and the data center at night can be > unnerving. if you think you hear someone you have to attempt to find > them which is often a difficult task due to the vision problems, the > distorted sound, etc. If you are used to the data center, a shutdown is > even more intimidating, although that may be because of the long night > that usually means. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Data centers ----- Original Message ----- From: > Don't forget the floor, either. It's commonly raised with several inches > of clearance beneath. The tiles (The ones we use are metal with a solid > concrete core that is heavy and likely bulletproof) hide a rat's nest of > cables for power, networking, and other materials as well as cooling and > the like. it'd be near=impossible for a man to crawl around in the > floor, but what about that /thing?/ Not all computer floors are so low-slung. The ones I worked with were a major part of the computer cooling system, so they were raised to knee height. Air conditioning was directed under the floor to send cool air up through the open bottoms of the computers and peripherals. A man could crawl around under there quite effectively, and I did a lot of that. The environment I was in was a combination of R&D and manufacturing, so the configuration was never static. Rerouting the bus and tag cables from the mainframe was a daily occurrence; we had a routine of laying out cables to the new config and then "bouncing" the mainframe to un-and re-connect cables in the middle of a work day. It could be done if you did it within 30 seconds. It was a rat's nest under there, but you could get from A to B with backtracking and improvisation. But it was cold down there. Arrrr, cold as Scapa Flow with the wind howlin' down yer neck. All that cable-hauling led to situations you wouldn't find in the normal data center. The original had water fire extinguishers under the floor, and a few times workers pulling on cables managed to snap off an extinguisher head under the floor, which led to flooding and all kinds of fun. A lot of my floor diving was to prevent that from recurring. Modern management can lead to some strange configurations as well. When the company moved from a campus environment to a high rise, the decision was made to put the data center on the 13th floor rather than in the basement. Every time a problem due to that decision cropped up they'd just keep marching forward rather than buck a decision from higher up. Oh, and the decision was made because the 13th floor would put the data center at the *center* of the business, which was felt to be important for some reason unconnected to the requirements of a data center. It was a big data center, and it took up the entire floor. While we were in the "planning" stages I calculated the weight of the machinery and asked if the building could sustain all that weight on one floor. Since this is earthquake country, that's not a small consideration. It turns out that the building wasn't rated for it, so they marched forward without insurance for the data center. Too late to turn back now. When summer came and all that hot Southern California sun came blasting through the big windows of the 13th floor, the air conditioning couldn't handle the load. Portable air-conditioning units were rolled in, but since there were no openings to dump the heat out of, the ducts were aimed into the drop ceiling. This weirdest thing about all this was that the business the company was in was designing and manufacturing big equipment for use in big data centers. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 7:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Future of Delta Green From: "Shane Ivey" > Is there a tradecraft list yet? Where can it be found? I seem to remember one being formed a few weeks back, by several members. Created in Yahoo Groups, IIRC. I was (and am) swamped, so I reluctantly stayed out of it, not wanting to yet again bite off more than I could chew. But I look forward to what they come up with. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Dr Locrian's Asylum Interesting link here - a series of photos of ruins. http://oboylephoto.com/ruins/ These are cpyright, so cannot be reproduced, but I think they are excellently done; in particular the Insane Asylum sequence http://oboylephoto.com/state_hospital/state_hosp3.htm#top a truely creepy place. Modern ghosts are the worst. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:13 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ruins in upstate ny --- Andy Robertson schrieb: > Interesting link here - a series of photos of ruins. > > > http://oboylephoto.com/ruins/ modestly gun-addicted, i instantly chose bannerman island arsenal, started looking for more information and bingo: http://www.hudsonvalleyruins.org/yasinsac/bannerman/shrine.html "Elvis Live at Bannerman Castle!!" No, sorry, Elvis did not sing at "Big B," but he did make a posthumous appearance... __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:40 AM To: delta-green Subject: [DG] ot: ripe for Dr Locrian's Asylum http://www.falkensteincastle.com/new_page_1.htm On their return flight to the United States, Mr. Young looked lovingly at Mrs. Young and said, “Sweetheart what would you think about spending the next ten years or so, building our own Falkenstein Castle in Texas?" To which Kim Young smiled and replied, "Why not!" __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [Anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 5:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Tradecraft Book > From: "Shane Ivey" > > Is there a tradecraft list yet? Where can it be found? > > I seem to remember one being formed a few weeks back, by several members. > Created in Yahoo Groups, IIRC. I was (and am) swamped, so I reluctantly > stayed out of it, not wanting to yet again bite off more than I could chew. > But I look forward to what they come up with. One good source of info for anyone interested in tradecraft as far as being realistic (and NOT a general history of past exercises) is a book called "Running a Ring of Spies" by Jefferson Mack and put out by Paladin Press. Here's a link to the Amazon page for it (it runs a little over $18). This is basically a very well-written and accurate how-to book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0873649028/qid=1008458568/sr=8-1/ref= sr_8_5_1/103-7668115-4787024 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [Anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 5:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] "Top Secret" stamps and other useful items Hey, if you're looking to make your DG game more interesting or more realistic, I bought and use some of the stuff they sell at NIC Law Enforcement Supply. They have rubber stamps, specialty folders, and some other items perfect for DG. http://www.nic-inc.com Scott / Anarchy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [Anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 5:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Future of Delta Green > And the author's byline shouldn't be your list name of "Anarchy" -- men > with dark glasses, three-piece suits, concealed radios with earbuds, and no > sense of humor would grab it immediately if it were! These days, they would > confiscate a Regency Romance, and spend hours taking notes and going > "Hmmmmm...", if the author's name happened to be "Anarchy"!:) > I'll have to be careful not to bring along my US Army Explosives and > Demolitions Manual, the next time I use commercial transportation!:) Good advice, but after the hacker meetings, I'm probably already on their list. ;) Either way, not only should you be careful about the field manual, but I have to worry about my copies of "How to Kill, vol. 1" and "Hit Man: A Technical Manual for Independent Contractors". ;) Scott / Anarchy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Tradecraft Book What are the best books about hacking as it applies to DG? There are a lot out there, and a lot that are surely out of date (anything released before the WWW went mainstream, for instance). Are there any that make good, realistic guides for DG Keepers and players? (And I mean apart from the one Anarchy is working on - it might be many moons before that sees print.) Shane Ivey www.RevolutionSF.com www.Delta-Green.com www.hobgoblynn.com/godlike _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Cc: Nocstar; Til Eulenspiegel; Thom Ryng Subject: [DG] [Challenge 2] Chapter 4 Chapter 4: "These Terrible Things I Do" by Andrew John Farrow "Desperate situations require desperate remedies." The driving rain bounced off the skin of the 747 as it taxied across Dublin Airport. "Why does this country always rain? It rained on Clinton's visit," Velma sighed. Despite the heightened security and armed garda which swamped the airport, clearing customs and immigration was a doddle with Velma leading: no names, no pack drill. Just a perfect impression of two American business travelers, "Nothing to declare." As always she confidently spotted the SB undercovers, loitering with intent. Once safely out of the surveillance glare of the airport, she used a pay-and-go mobile purchased for cash in the concourse shop. To make the requisite calls, three hours later after an excellent lunch at Bruno's Temple Bar, they met Velma's local contact, Jon Turner, a hack for the _Irish Times_, one of the premier broadsheets. A cutting-edge journalist of the new school, who knew who was clean and who was dirty on both sides of the fence, who to talk to and who to ignore. Just the contact agents need in a foreign country. Turner viewed the entire affair of his new American "friends" with ambivalence. Working with them was a drag and of questionable legality, but the crumbs of stories he got out of the deal were bigger than most people's lifetime achievements, so everyone was happy. Besides, Velma knew about the little iron box kept "secure" in the safe of a Belfast solicitor's office. Turner sat tense as the two Americans briefed him on the elements of the operation he heeded to know, which was less than nothing. He didn't like it--the security cordon was HOT news at the office, and no one was talking, at least not officially, and the scuttlebutt was worse than bad. Everything from Ebola through Real IRA suicide cell to escaped alien life-form. And if anything was going to produce a scoop, the Americans were. Besides, Velma never took "No" for an answer. So with a borrowed Mitsubishi 4x4--belonging to a friend, out of the country; it could be reported stolen, if needs must--the three rumbled up the N2 in near silence and slipped across the border into County Dungannon at a tiny overlooked back road checkpoint east of Aughnacloy, manned by a trio of bored privates from "A" Co., 2 Para., who were more interested in huddling over their clansman radio pack attempting to hack into the flurry of traffic generated by the quarantine just 30 tantalizing miles away, where B & D Co. sounded to be hogging all the action, than check a press vehicle driven by a known journo in the rain. Such was the benefit of local expertise, mused David, as they turned west, towards the true target of their mission--the huge Crossingham estates south of Eneskilin, which housed all Crossingham's UK-based operations. He nervously fixated on the map: Lough Erne, with its wide run-offs to the ocean. "Too close to the sea, anything but those", he muttered. Turner's eyebrows arched quizzically, but Velma knew what he meant. He was thinking back to Operation BRIGHT PIN, against "communist rebels" in the Marcos-era Philippines when he first met Lance and been read onto the entire Delta Green. They said the Deep Ones had retreated to their undersea citadels, and the hybrids had dispersed. Fuck, lying bastards! What he had seen that day meant he would never eat seafood again. Arriving on the outskirts of the quarantine zone, it was obvious this was the event of the year. It seemed every helicopter in Ulster was up. And as a Westland Lynx banked lazily against the dying sun, it was apparent that the side doors were not open for ventilation. Suddenly the deniable Glock tucked in Dave's waistband no longer gave him comfort. Welcome to Delta Green! I want to be free, to do what I want. Morrison hummed "We're Leavin' on a Jet Plane" just to annoy his new handlers as he sauntered to the bathroom. Damn the ignominy of running an op out of a chartered airplane, from a civilian terminal. Lt. Morrison grinned. Sheesh, even during the Clinton farce, things had been freer than this. But then he was too busy chasing tail to check what was really going on. Now they were stuck behind "security checks." Exactly how an extra 30,000 federal employees leads to smaller, leaner government escaped him. But hey, this bullshit and delay suited his purpose. I'm not going back, ever! Lt. Morrison had to suppress a giggle; he wasn't going back in the basement, ever! There was no need; he had already selected his first new ID that he knew he could grow to like. The mark he had selected was perfect--obviously alone, obviously foreign, with no idea of the layout, no one had seen him slip into the cubicle. And as the janitor shuffled out the door, Morrison made his move--by the time the man had washed his hands, Morrison was naked, and had crabbed across the tiles below the level of the mirrors. The mark didn't have time to scream as inhumanly fast hands seized his neck, hauling him to the floor. As the body fell, Morrison violently twisted up the head, allowing the momentum of the now-corpse to tear asunder the vital organs and nerves of the neck. Even after all these times, the noise still aroused him. Before the last breath was out of his victim's shattered larynx, Morrison had rifled the pockets of the expensive European suit. The tickets were worthless, and went in the bin. The passport was perfect, an easy-to-copy signature, the two gold cards and $1500 in traveler's cheques were just the icing on the cake. Just what a nobody needs to kick-start a new life. He wasn't going back! Besides, there were scores to settle first. But first to put out the trash. The corpse came apart like a jigsaw. Each piece munched down to a handy size, before it plopped into the bowl. By the time the final flush, and a last lick of a stray blood splat, seven minutes and forty-eight seconds had elapse on the Rolex perched above the toilet cistern. Morrison dressed calmly, rinsed his mouth, checked his teeth in the mirror, for any "stray bits." Behind him, Mr. Eckhard Hueslhoff and his first piece of US litigation--naturally the defense of a German transsexual porn-star client against gerbil-tampering allegations--had been flushed down the toilet...quite literally. Morrison tucked his booty into the double-sealed Ziploc pouch he always carried for those delicate items. There wasn't always time to do the job clean, so precautions were needed, but the chumps outside hadn't even missed him. Another hour passed before the cogs of bureaucracy had ground their course. Lt. Morrison and his handlers were airborne, destination unknown. Morrison had an idea, but he wasn't telling, at least not to the monkeys. As the jet cruised, it went into the little-known dead zones in the ATC grid. They dropped off scope for only two seconds. But it was enough time fort the co-pilot to flick the switches on the decidedly non-standard transponder racks, as the pilot made a hard turn and dived, and viola--they were a new flight, on a new heading, and no one knew better. The way black ops should be run. Headed for its final destination, known only to the pilot thanks to the insane compartmentalized security protocols that cloaked Morrison's mission. Back in the cabin, while his handlers nervously tried not to stare, Lt. Morrison squirmed in his seat. Like a small child with a secret, he kept peeking at that one line in the OPORD, conveniently highlighted for his edification. Fuck, that would be better than sex; the thought of it gave him an erection. Shit, it had been over a year. But this time it would never end. I'm not going back, ever! The one-liter tubs of Haagen-Daaz mint chocolate chip lay untouched in the cold box at his feet. This was one time he did not want to spoil his appetite. Don't eat anyone important, Major Kenneth had warned. Where was he to start? There were so many; exquisite payback for every sleight, real and imagined, rolled around his mind. I'm not going back, ever! Much to the annoyance of the others, the aircraft stereo blared out the delights of "Aberrations 81-4" over and over. Fuck, it was Morrison's first chance to savor the unreleased gems, so screw everyone else. Flesh landslide bones and hearts Head lice and sex parts Chicken salad running around Spilling their jizz on the consecrated ground God's cadaver lying there Check its pulse and comb its hair Plug its asshole, dislocate the spine Scrape it all off and tell me what you find Ape rabies the chimp wife All the naked apes and pond life Monkey see the monkey, monkey make his move Monkey do the damage that the monkey gonna do Monkey desecration, monkey making tools Stick it to the monkey, break the monkey balls Monkey see the monkey, monkey make his move Monkey do the damage that the monkey gonna do Monkey desecration, monkey making tools Stick it to the monkey, break the monkey balls The pilot's perfectly modulated voice broke through Morrison's reverie. "Gentlemen, we touch down in fifteen minutes." Relief washed over the others on board. Officially Lt. Morrison's handlers were an ad-hoc mix of military personnel assigned to ISA, intelligence support activity. Unofficially, they were the blacker than black hatchetmen of masters they did not wish to fathom, veterans of ops that had broken every law and standard of human decency. Morrison took no notice of any of them throughout the flight, but in the company of Morrison they were coming to realize they were really only a dirty white. And that all the medical tests, the insane simulation exercises, being strapped in a chair in Puerto Rico--that wasn't a psych evaluation. It was an attempt to dive you crazy. But it was all going to mean something after this "milk run," and if fear had a smell it would have been palpable in that cramped cabin. There was something about LT Morrison. So many hours in an air-conditioned cabin with recirculating air amplified the odor. And they knew it was Morrison. The plane taxied to a stop, and Morrison leapt from his from his seat, leaving the smoldering embers of the OPORD in the ashtray. "Show time," he grinned. He suddenly felt hungry, very hungry, and as the door dogged open, he imagined he could smell his victim on the night breeze. Just this quickie, for old time's sake, then I'm FREE, I'm not going back! Ever! End. *** That's all folks ! Yes I know its short , its late , and I have taken unspeakable liberties with list members , but hey I will post my profile Monday so sweet revenge can be executed in a later chapter . Andrew John Farrow **************************** And thank you, Andrew! Luckily for you, Eckhard has already written his chapter... The next three writers are below: Chapter 5: David "Nocstar" Shepherd Chapter 6: Jay "Til Eulenspiegel" Dugger Chapter 7: Thom "Pallid Mask" Ryng And I must announce that I'll be on the road (or rather in the air) in 5 days, visiting home for my first Christmas in America in 7 years--and my wife and kids' first American Christmas ever. I'll be busy with family and friends for a little over two weeks, and I may not have access to a computer. Still, I might be able to keep up with the Challenge. Mr. Shepherd, please send your chapter to chaucerwatch23@yahoo.com so I can receive it while in the US. Or just get it to me at this address *really* quickly! :-) Apologies to all for the delays this will cause. Anyone who needs to contact me after Friday, please use the above address. I'll temporarily unsub from the list while on vacation. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned If this isn't Nyarlathotep, I don't know what is http://www.theory.org.uk/action.htm - The Nuge The Captain is a One-Armed Dwarf He's throwing dice along the wharf In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [Anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Tradecraft Book > What are the best books about hacking as it applies to DG? There are a lot > out there, and a lot that are surely out of date (anything released before > the WWW went mainstream, for instance). Are there any that make good, > realistic guides for DG Keepers and players? > > (And I mean apart from the one Anarchy is working on - it might be many > moons before that sees print.) (I'm almost done!) Hehehe... Actually, as far as hacking goes, you're right, there aren't many good guides out there, and certainly few from the hacker's perspective, and fewer still that aren't outdated. Therefore, I only know of one book you might want to pick up. "Hackproofing Your Network" by various authors, put out by Global Knowledge Professional Reference - ISBN 1-928994-15-6. There may be others, but this one is a good choice. Also, despite the name, it shows you how to actually hack-proof something by trying to hack into it to find your flaws. Scott _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Tradecraft Book From: Shane Ivey >What are the best books about hacking as it applies to DG? There are a lot >out there, and a lot that are surely out of date (anything released before >the WWW went mainstream, for instance). Are there any that make good, >realistic guides for DG Keepers and players? Hacking guides are going to focus on obscure technical details like security holes or the differences between flavors of UNIX. What Delta Green keepers need is a list of possible targets for cyber-espionage, and maps of different types of networks. Most players will be breaking into Majestic networks (military and government systems which have sentient crystal matrix entities prowling the network) and corporate networks (mostly of biotechnology companies or think tanks). It's possible that fractal entities could be used as a lethal security system for NWI or it's subsidiaries. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:10 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Tradecraft Book <> Not just lists and maps, but dramatic guides to what the players or NPCs can actually *do* and what they can't do, how long it ought to take, what the process is like for the character(s) involved and for observers, that kind of thing. I can talk as smart as the next layman (strange phenomena like Messrs. Layne and Vortisch excluded) about firefights and criminal procedure, and I've done a webpage or three, but when it comes to realistic depictions of hacking I have a little trouble telling shit from shinola. And yet I want to be able to do it without just glossing it over with "You hack for a while. Roll Computer Use." That's the kind of book I'm looking for. Shane Ivey web, writing, etc. "The goodly nose-cartilage glittered and glowed. The hoof-bearers taunted him with proud words; The comrades wouldn't allow wretched Hrodulf To join the reindeer games." Hrodulf the Red-Nosed Reindeer (Modern English translation) http://www.georgetown.edu/cball/oe/oe-diversions.html _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Tradecraft Book > "The goodly nose-cartilage glittered and glowed. > The hoof-bearers taunted him with proud words; > The comrades wouldn't allow wretched Hrodulf > To join the reindeer games." > > Hrodulf the Red-Nosed Reindeer (Modern English translation) > http://www.georgetown.edu/cball/oe/oe-diversions.html off topic! Off-Topic!!! (sorry. Just wanted to see what It felt like) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:40 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned The Nuge wrote: >If this isn't Nyarlathotep, I don't know what is > >http://www.theory.org.uk/action.htm weirdly, the Giddens figure is a re-worked Giles figure from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. No clue who the Foucoult is... Kindred _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [Anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned > The Nuge wrote: > >If this isn't Nyarlathotep, I don't know what is > > > >http://www.theory.org.uk/action.htm > > weirdly, the Giddens figure is a re-worked Giles figure from Buffy the > Vampire Slayer. No clue who the Foucoult is... Foucault is a scientist/philosopher (far as I know) who studied different things including prisons and the effect that an always-watching eye has on the prisoners, like the guards always watching the prisoners 24/7, or at least what the effect would be if the prisoners THOUGHT they were always being watched. His round prison idea with the guards in the center watching everyone was called the panopticon. Scott _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned Anarchy wrote: > > The Nuge wrote: > > >If this isn't Nyarlathotep, I don't know what is > > > > > >http://www.theory.org.uk/action.htm > > > > weirdly, the Giddens figure is a re-worked Giles figure from Buffy the > > Vampire Slayer. No clue who the Foucoult is... > >Foucault is a scientist/philosopher (far as I know) who studied different >things including prisons and the effect that an always-watching eye has on >the prisoners, like the guards always watching the prisoners 24/7, or at >least what the effect would be if the prisoners THOUGHT they were always >being watched. His round prison idea with the guards in the center watching >everyone was called the panopticon. Doesnt answer which action figure they horribly transformed to make a Foucault action figure though... Kindred you know the EndTimes are here when innocent action figures are mutatating... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned >(Foucault's) round prison idea with the guards in the center watching >everyone was called the panopticon. And, of course, when Dr. Who finally gets back to Gallifrey, what did they name the capitol? The Panopticon. But who are the guards, and who are the prisoners? J. ps (little OT, but I think it says something about how power can sometimes be a subtle little prison of its own...) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [Anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned > Doesnt answer which action figure they horribly transformed to make a > Foucault action figure though... True. But do I really want to know? ;) It might end up being something more horrific than the VH1 "M.C. Hammer Story" coming up. Hehehe... Scott _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marshall Gatten [marshall@thegattens.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Tradecraft Book > From: "Shane Ivey" > Is there a tradecraft list yet? Where can it be found? Sorry, I've been off-list for a while. My net access is coming in short sessions with far too much time between them so I end up scanning headers and deleting 95% of my mail unread. But the Tradecraft header caught my eye since I'm the guy that started the Tradecraft list. To subscribe to the Tradecraft list, send an email to dgtradecraft- subscribe@topica.com . Traffic is really light lately, with just three posts in the last month even though October was pretty heavy. Full info about the list can be found at http://www.topica.com/lists/dgtradecraft. That includes archives readable only by subscribers. (So everybody who wants the archives has gotta sign up, got it? :) Marshall _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Tradecraft Book From: "Marshall Gatten" > To subscribe to the Tradecraft list, send an email to dgtradecraft- > subscribe@topica.com . Doh! That's right--topica, not yahoo. Sorry, Marshall. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:31 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned Shurely this was Jeremy Bentham? A very devout precreator of hell. http://www.dnai.com/~mackey/thesis/panpic.html The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anarchy" > being watched. His round prison idea with the guards in the center watching > everyone was called the panopticon. > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 4:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > Shurely this was Jeremy Bentham? A very devout precreator of hell. > > http://www.dnai.com/~mackey/thesis/panpic.html And germane to the topic of Carnivore, ECHELON and all the other surveillance schemes that treat everyone as guilty until proven innocent. "The Panopticon thus allows seeing without being seen. 'Such asymmetry of seeing-without-being-seen is, in fact, the very essence of power for Foucault because ultimately, the power to dominate rests on the differential possession of knowledge.'" Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lee Williams [leewilliams@demonground.org] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:56 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned /lurk OFF/ Thanks to the Glove Cleaner for pointing that out, I didn't think Foucault sounded right...next time Adam Hart-Davies' Victorians thing is on telly I'll pay more attention. And now I've confused our non-British members, I'm off. :-) Lee Williams ICQ 25628876 Associate Editor - DEMONGROUND: Reflections of a Darker Future http://www.demonground.org leewilliams@demonground.org /lurk ON/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Robertson To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned > Shurely this was Jeremy Bentham? A very devout precreator of hell. > > http://www.dnai.com/~mackey/thesis/panpic.html > > The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Tradecraft Book Anarchy wrote/napisa³[a]/schrieb: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > (I'm almost done!) Hehehe... Actually, as far as hacking goes, you're right, > there aren't many good guides out there, and certainly few from the hacker's > perspective, and fewer still that aren't outdated. Therefore, I only know of > one book you might want to pick up. "Hackproofing Your Network" by various > authors, put out by Global Knowledge Professional Reference - ISBN > 1-928994-15-6. There may be others, but this one is a good choice. Also, > despite the name, it shows you how to actually hack-proof something by > trying to hack into it to find your flaws. Technical books are not very interesting from Keeper/Case Officer point of view. They describe trees while CO wants to look at forest. And there aren't many such a sources I guess. I sometimes read press articles and I can't recognize event the thigs I'm familiar with. They are too much sensation oriented to get realistic. Anyway, for 1980s insight read Clifford Stoll's "Cuckoo's Egg' but such Internet is almost gone. You may also like "Hacker and Samurai" on a duel between Tsutomu Shimomura and Kevin Mitnick,l but this is also a bit dated and not very useful for CO. For current day this is the only thing I know (and its online). http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1235 Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | P³yn¹æ chcê na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem ka¿de z³o | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazañ brak dziesiêciu, a piæ mo¿na a¿ po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Future of Delta Green The Man in Black wrote/napisa³[a]/schrieb: > Actually a "shocking swerve" like a genre switch is something that can > be very effective in a role playing game. The fact that the players told > the Diabolical Dr. Mana that they were sick of horror gaming and wanted > a break, and then he slapped the Cthulhu stuff on em anyway was what I > objected to. I never tell my players what the game will be. It was difefrent when we played lots of systems (tonight we'll try the ADnD I just bought!). Now I only specify setting (not genre, when setting up playtest for GLASS DOOR I said only that the setting is present RL), mechanics and seriousness (is this a scenario meant to be fun, or heavy). And if the scenario is a continuation of any we played before (then they know the genre) The players never complain. Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | P³yn¹æ chcê na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem ka¿de z³o | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazañ brak dziesiêciu, a piæ mo¿na a¿ po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Very off topic, but must be mentioned > Kindred > you know the EndTimes are here when innocent action figures are mutatating... Actually, my point was that if philosophy and intellectuality are reduced to simple commerical notions, you dispel the merit of their existence. And whats the point of studying something for decades if you can't show it off at the drop of a malplo? - The Nuge The Captain is a One-Armed Dwarf He's throwing dice along the wharf In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew Gable [empirion33@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Testing... Hi all, I was subscribed to this list an ungodly length of time ago. What can I say, RL has been *extremely* chaotic, to put it mildly. I'm not even getting into it all. :) Anyway, I'm back. Well, I was spending some time reading through the ICE CAVE and reminiscing about times gone by... Anyway, I noticed that long ago, Eric Brennan asked for links on Roslyn d'Onston Stephenson, suspected of being the Ripper (is he still on this list? Eric, not the Ripper LOL). I can provide some good ones now, if you're still interested. And just for fun I'd like to give my input on two of Campbell's Mythos creations and where they might come from. I think Ghroth might be derived from GORATH (1964), a Japanese flick about a planet that strays into Earth's orbit. And M'nagalah is derived most likely from mananggal, the Philippine word for the nasty penanggalan of Malaysian lore. It's good to be back! On with the discussions. ===== Soraidh, Andrew D. Gable empirion33@hotmail.com, empirion33@yahoo.com THE CRYPTOWEB v3.0: http://come.to/the_cryptoweb/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] How's this for a Friendly cover? Agents, A friend knew I was job hunting and knew that i had once had a private investigator's license, so she sent me this. This creeps me out to no end. Very useful for games though... http://www.coincidencedesign.com/ Kindred _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Joe Firmage on UFOs (long) (Hey folks (Some time ago, I got on Joe Firmage's mailing list. Usually he just dodders on about the signifigance of monkey turds as a replacement for the social value of collectivist Beatle fans as it relates to world energy issues - or something like that, anyway... - but every so often he astounds us all with some interesting questions. (I thought you all might like to have a gander at this one. It's a wee bit long for us (short for his standards, thankfully) but take a look-see at his 'questions' at the end... J. -------------------------------------------- Hello friend, >From time to time in the history of science, unexplained threads of evidence begin to reveal a tapestry clear enough for new patterns to be seen. I write today to tell you about one such tapestry – revealed in stunning detail in a new book likely to be ranked one day among the great works of investigative journalism. One of the deepest mysteries to confront the discipline of science is the vast body of unexplained observations filed in the folder (or trash can, depending upon the biases of the student) labeled “unidentified flying objects”. Research into UFO phenomena has been a challenging process for all those professionals courageous enough to climb its slippery slope – a situation produced by a self-reinforcing cycle of inattentive science, intense secrecy, and a half-century of disinformation on the subject. Yet drowned in a cacophony of books from amateur researchers are awesome implications of sober analyses from the handful of either very courageous or very private professionals studying this deep mystery. After decades of painstaking exploration by credentialed scientists and journalists, a consensus tapestry is slowly beginning to emerge, revealing an image of stunning significance to every human being on Earth. While the pattern remains fuzzy, in some respects more than others, an illuminating tour de force has recently been published. The book is Richard Dolan’s “UFOs and the National Security State,” published in 2001 by Keyhole Publishing Company. It is a book that every student of science, government, philosophy and history must read. You may purchase it at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0967799503/qid=1006433900/sr=8-1/ref= sr_8_7_1/102-4027922-9976161 Most books on UFOs have reported on one of two areas of research: first, the empirical data from observations of unusual aerospatial phenomena, and second, the government's alleged undisclosed investigations of the phenomena. UFO's and the National Security State presents an integration of these two threads of research, organized along the generally-known chronology of events of the Cold War era. Given the period Dolan examines (1947-1973), this volume focuses on after-the-fact reporting and analysis rather than primary discovery, and thus major credit is due the large number of works he references. The combined result is a phenomenal elucidation of the import and context of the modern UFO drama. If you take the time to absorb Dolan’s exhaustive and ruggedly-balanced overview, you may find yourself seriously considering three conclusions I now hold: (1) we are not alone in the Cosmos, (2) an incredible chapter in the book of Nature is sealed from public view, and (3) the community of science may be the only force on Earth strong enough to unlock that seal… and wise enough to know how to do so. ~ Having studied the UFO mystery for many years, I have many important questions. Most of them are focused on the long-term, transformational implications of the remarkable phenomena reported. Other questions relate to our understanding of 20th century history and the true present circumstance of human civilization. I share with you below some of these latter questions, with the hope that they may at least open your mind, and at most engage you in a shared quest to open what may be among the grandest future chapters in our ancient saga. 40 Questions for Scientists Who Care About Truth 1. What are the implications of physicists’ realization that "space-time" is not a void, but is rather an ocean-like medium of energy? (1) 2. Are scientists and journalists aware of new, broadly-published, peer-reviewed theories of the nature of gravitation and inertia meeting every experimental test of general relativity, yet in principle allowing super-luminal motion of gravity-propelled spacecraft without time dilation? (2) 3. If scientific papers speculating on time travel, worm holes, and ‘many universes’ are greeted by the press with respectful wonder and awe, why are scientific papers speculating on notions far less exotic – propulsion systems not requiring that we shoot matter out of a nozzle – greeted with skeptical disdain, especially when no empirical data exist to support the former, while much exists to support the latter? 4. Are scientists and journalists aware that much of the research staff on a pivotal government-funded study of UFO evidence – the Condon Committee – resigned or were fired when they challenged its director’s intention to report a pre-ordained conclusion that all UFO sightings can be explained in mundane terms? (3) 5. Are scientists and journalists aware that the chief scientific consultant in the Air Force's Blue Book study of UFOs later characterized the project as a publicity maneuver to mollify the public, himself convinced by the evidence he saw that genuine, unexplained aerospatial phenomena are in our midst? (4) 6. Are you aware that reports of these two government-funded, now-discredited studies – the Condon Committee and Project Blue Book – are the primary reasons why most scientists and journalists have dismissed UFO evidence as pseudoscience? (5) 7. Are scientists and journalists aware that hundreds of thoroughly credentialed pilots and military officers have officially documented sightings of structured craft demonstrating motions possible only through gravitational propulsion, and that some of these sightings are accompanied by radar records? (6) 8. Are scientists and journalists aware that hundreds of thousands of similar sightings have been made by people around the world, dating back thousands of years? (7) 9. Why have U.S. intelligence agencies refused an official request by the Federation of American Scientists to release their budgets for the years 1947 through 1970? (8) 10. May there have been a larger reason than Cold War fears driving the establishment in 1947 of the National Security Act, the CIA, and the Air Force? 11. Why were administrative and communications records from the Roswell Army Air Force Base covering the period 1945-1949 destroyed without explanation? (9) 12. Why did defense contractors' ubiquitous predictions in the 1950s of the emergence of gravitational propulsion systems suddenly go quiet? (10) 13. Why did the National Security Agency and partner organizations secretly begin tapping land-line phone conversations world-wide by the 1950s, expanding the capability in recent decades to include most satellite communications? (11) 14. Why did President Eisenhower, in his nationally televised farewell address, bluntly warn his fellow citizens of the “potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power”, sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex? (12) 15. Are scientists and journalists aware that, on November 12, 1963, President Kennedy issued National Security Action Memorandum 271 directing NASA to begin preparations for a joint space program with the Soviet Union? (13) 16. Are scientists and journalists aware that among thousands of pages of allegedly-authentic leaked classified documents relating to UFOs is a purported memorandum from President Kennedy, also dated November 12, 1963, directing the intelligence community to begin sharing classified UFO files with NASA in preparation for a joint US-USSR space program? (14) 17. Are scientists and journalists aware that perhaps history’s most quoted and respected debunker of UFO sightings, Harvard astronomer Dr. Donald Menzel, was in fact a consultant with Top Secret Ultra clearance to the National Security Agency? (15) 18. Why did President Reagan mention the hypothetical scenario of an extraterrestrial presence around Earth in several of his most important speeches, including to the United Nations? (16) 19. May there be a deeper reason explaining why President Bush is so adamant about fielding a new defense shield against ‘21st century threats from rogue objects in the air and space’? 20. Why has President Bush ordered that presidential papers following the Carter administration may be concealed from our democracy forever? (17) 21. When the vast majority of U.S. advanced physics research has been funded by the military-industrial complex, what discoveries may have been concealed long ago under the premise of National Security? 22. Are you aware that former leading officials of the French Air Force and Space Agency published a report in the summer of 2000 stating their appraisal that some UFOs are likely spacecraft of extraterrestrial origin, and that the U.S. probably has come into possession of extraterrestrial craft? (18) 23. Are you aware that prominent U.S. physicists have begun to come out in support of the likelihood that some fraction of UFO sightings do indeed identify spacecraft of extraterrestrial origin? (19) 24. Are you aware that the Aerospace Editor for Jane’s Defense Weekly – among the world’s most respected defense analysis journals – publicly released less than 90 days ago the following conclusion after ten years of research: the U.S. military has likely been experimenting with gravitational propulsion systems for many decades? (20) 25. If the music industry can align all powers in its possession to obliterate Napster’s liberation of songs, what might vastly larger interests have done with energy and propulsion technology that would liberate electricity and transportation… and global politics? 26. How might human civilization have (d)evolved if Faraday’s discovery of the principle of induction was made not in the public domain, but in a secured facility, deemed a “national security threat” by virtue of its power to revolutionize steam locomotion and oil-based lighting infrastructure, and kept secret for half a century? 27. If there is a world-changing secret buried within our National Security State, which dynastic interests most likely govern it today? 28. If the massive National Security Agency and National Reconnaissance Office were kept entirely secret for decades, is it possible that other large, classified programs remain largely unknown to Congress and the public? 29. Are you aware of the lengths to which the military-industrial-intelligence community could go to prevent revelation of world-changing knowledge, if such knowledge would thoroughly challenge its power structure, and if there are indeed severe risks of misuse of resulting technology? (21) 30. Do you believe that the revelation of past contact with extraterrestrial life forms could profoundly transform our world for the better, giving us all an inspiring, unifying perspective of the grandeur of the Cosmos from which we spring, and pointing to new technologies that could dramatically reduce humanity’s environmental footprint on Nature? 31. For how long will scientists and journalists continue to be happy with spoon-fed denials by officials of any significance to the following documented quotes? (22) ”Before we could do any more, the Army, after conferring with [U.S.] officials, ordered the investigation stopped.” - Renowned physicist Dr. Paul Santorini, on UFOs over Greece in 1946 ”The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious.” – General Nathan Twining, September 23, 1947, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, 1955-1958 ”Army intelligence has recently said that the matter of ‘Unidentified Aircraft’ or ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena,’ otherwise known as ‘Flying Discs,’ ‘Flying Saucers,’ and “Balls of Fire,’ is considered top secret by intelligence officers of both the Army and Air Forces.” - 1949 FBI memo on UFOs ”In view of the wide interest within the Agency … outside knowledge of Agency interest in Flying Saucers carries the risk of making the problem even more serious in the public mind than it already is.” - CIA memo, 1952 ”I am convinced that these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nation on Earth.” – Air Chief Marshall Lord Dowding, Commander-in-Chief, Royal Air Force Command, London Sunday Dispatch, July 11, 1954 ”Reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences.” - Navy Admiral Delmar Fahrney, public statement, 1957 ”The trick would be to describe the project so that, to the public, it would appear a totally objective study, but to the scientific community would present the image of a group of nonbelievers trying their best to be objective but having an almost zero expectation of finding a saucer.” - Robert Low, University of Colorado senior administrator, former intelligence officer, and assistant director of the Condon Committee, in a confidential 1966 memo suggesting the approach of the Condon UFO study ”My study of past official Air Force investigations (Project Blue Book) leads me to describe them as completely superficial… Officially released ‘explanations’ of important UFO sightings have been almost absurdly erroneous.” – Dr. James McDonald, speech to American Meteorological Society, 1966 ”When the team was ten miles from the landing site, static disrupted radio contact with them. Five to eight minutes later the glow diminished, and the UFO took off. Another UFO was visually sighted and confirmed by radar.” - Classified report by an Air Force Strike Team at Minot AFB, 1966 ”Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is... Behind the scenes high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.” – Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, public statements in 1960 ”I had the evidence that a crash did happen… I ask [you] this, were you there with me? Did you have the clearances? They can’t answer these questions. They simply criticize with no evidence.” – Colonel Philip Corso, former head of the Foreign Technology Desk, United States Army Research and Development and National Security Advisor, Eisenhower Administration, on video in 1998 shortly before his death ”Because of the developments of science, all countries on Earth will have to unite to survive and to make a common front against attack by people from other planets. The politics of the future will be cosmic, or interplanetary.” – General Douglas Macarthur, October 8, 1955, New York Times ”Congressional investigations … are still being held on the problem of unidentified flying objects and the problem is one in which there is quite a bit of interest… Since most of the material presented to the Committees is classified, the hearings are never printed.” - Congressman William H. Ayres, 1958 ”I've talked with people of stature – of military and government credentials and position – and heard their stories, and their desire to tell their stories openly to the public. And that got my attention very, very rapidly... the first hand experiences of these credible witnesses, now in advanced years and anxious to tell their story. We can't deny that, and the evidence points to the fact that Roswell was a real incident, and that indeed an alien craft did crash, and that material was recovered from that crash site.” -Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut, from a taped interview in 1998. ”[I am] disturbed by the way in which the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment… [It has] become a government all of its own and all secret. They don’t have to account to anybody.” - President Harry S. Truman, Washington Post, December 22, 1963 ”Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs.” – Allen Dulles, 1955, Director of Central Intelligence and later member of the Warren Commission 32. Will the community of scientists – stewards of humanity’s wisdom, knowledge, history and future – look away in denial of overwhelming evidence that the Cold War’s capitalist-military-intelligence complex has managed the epochal process of CONTACT for at least a half-century under cover? 33. How properly could such a singular process have been conducted, deprived for at least five decades of the diverse wisdom, knowledge and perspective of millions of philosophers, cosmologists, physicists, chemists, biologists, anthropologists, sociologists, psychologists, engineers, ethicists, historians, journalists, artists and scholars of religion? 34. If a vital truth of our very Nature has been concealed from us, may that in part explain humanity’s continuing struggles with religious, political, economic, technological, and psychological adolescence – consequences of the lingering imposition of a flat-earth worldview? 35. If governments were to grant relief of security oaths relating to information on UFOs, call for witnesses to step forward and see no witnesses forthcoming, then wouldn’t the question of government cover-up be put to rest succinctly? 36. If, on the other hand, governments were to refuse to offer relief of security oaths relating to information on UFOs or refuse to call for witnesses to step forward, then what may we conclude? 37. When will we band together, demanding relief of security oaths for those with first-hand knowledge to testify in open hearings before the United States Congress and the people of Earth? 38. Do we or do we not have both the right and need to learn the truth of our Nature? Many people – mainly those who’ve not studied the UFO mystery deeply – have asked me, “Joe, you’re a smart guy. You can live a great life doing whatever you want. Why are you complicating it by raising such controversies?” The social paradigm of the second millennium is hurtling us into what scientists now call the Sixth Great Extinction of life on Earth. (23) Forests are disappearing. Fisheries are becoming depleted. Oceans and lakes are being flooded with wastes. Aquifers are emptying. Weather patterns are shifting. Human numbers continue to climb. Earth’s biosphere cannot sustain the existing footprint of civilization, with billions still in abject poverty. And as of 2001, capitalism is programmed to lift the developing world into U.S.-style patterns of consumption using the 20th century’s platform of technologies, and more than one billion people in China have just officially joined this program. (24) Yet human beings everywhere are asking, “Is this what life is supposed to be about?” Our worst challenges require our best solutions. I do not believe that most people are aware of the relevance of the UFO question to the solutions humanity needs in order to survive and thrive upon our precious, blue-green, Cosmic coral reef. This leads me to ask two final questions. Leaders, scientists and journalists, I ask you: Is “Know Thyself” to be limited by the rule of secret councils of the capitalist-military-intelligence complex? Have you read Rich Dolan’s masterpiece of journalism: UFOs and the National Security State? A renewal of life on Earth and an inspiring future for all the world’s children await minds and hearts of science to stir from a long slumber. Joseph P. Firmage November 22, 2001 ”I believe no other problem within your jurisdiction is of comparable scientific and national importance. These are strong words, and I intend them to be… ”I now regard the [extraterrestrial hypothesis] as the one most likely to prove correct.” - Dr. James McDonald, testimony to the United States Congress, 1968; this brilliant, courageous, world-renowned scientist apparently committed suicide three years later. 1. For an overview and references, see http://motionsciences.org/research 2. For an overview and references, see http://motionsciences.org/research 3. Dolan, R., UFOs and the National Security State, p. 428-440 4. Dr. J. Allen Hynek on camera shortly before his death in 1985 5. Dolan, R., UFOs and the National Security State, p. 456 6. Dolan, R., UFOs and the National Security State, p. 493-499 7. Thompson, R. Alien Identities, Govardhan Hill, 1995 8. http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2000/12/ciaig.html 9. Dolan, R., UFOs and the National Security State, p. 58-59 10. Cook, N. The Hunt For Zero Point, 2001, available at http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0712669531/ref=ed_art_210370_ri_1/0 26-3124455-2734855 11. Dolan, R., UFOs and the National Security State, p. 274; see also http://www.echelonwatch.org/ 12. See transcript at http://www.ukans.edu/carrie/docs/texts/ddefarew.html 13. See official archive at http://www.jfklibrary.org/nsam271.htm 14. These and other controversial documents can be examined at http://majesticdocuments.com/documents.html 15. Letter from Menzel to JFK, 1960; Friedman, S. Final Report on Operation Majestic 12, 1990 16. See http://www.isso.org/inbox/ubd/quote/quogov.htm 17. See http://www.msnbc.com/local/wrc/nbcl3ptdltc.asp 18. See http://www.cufos.org/cometa.html 19. Listen to Dr. Michio Kaku’s remarks at http://abcnews.go.com/onair/correspondents/wallace/internetexpose/#abc ; see also H. E. Puthoff, SETI, The Velocity-of-Light Limitation, and the Alcubierre Warp Drive: An Integrating Overview, Physics Essays 9, 156 (1996), online at http://earthtech.org/publications/ 20. Cook, N. The Hunt For Zero Point, 2001, available at http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0712669531/ref=ed_art_210370_ri_1/0 26-3124455-2734855 21. Evaluate Weiner, T. Blank Check, 1991, and Bamford, J. Body of Secrets, 2001 22. These and other important quotes can be found at http://www.isso.org/inbox/ubd/quote/quogov.htm 23. See http://www.enn.com/enn-features-archive/1998/09/091698/fea0916_23526.asp 24. See http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/11/10/china.WTO/index.html ***** You have received this email because you are subscribed to Joe Firmage's mailing list. If you wish to be removed from the list, please send an empty email to firmage_bulletin-unsubscribe@firmage.org. Thank you. ***** _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:17 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How's this for a Friendly cover? Greetings. >A friend knew I was job hunting and knew that i had once had a private >investigator's license, so she sent me this. This creeps me out to no end. >Very useful for games though... > >http://www.coincidencedesign.com/ Extremely interesting. Could this be some kind of Blair Witch-style publicity stunt? Or are the Yanks really that messed up? Certain elements make me opt for the former (check out the FAQ), but you never can tell with those wacky Americans ;> And even taking the thing at face value, the outcome is bleak.... > You've found success; you drive an expensive car, own a mansion, and > have money to burn. On top of all this, you're fairly young, you work > out, and can make witty remarks. But you haven't found your dream wife > yet. The women you date don't live up to your image of the ideal woman. So, you're a hotshot and it's _their fault_ if _they_ fall short of your expectations. So, you're a hotshot whose emotional development got frozen in amber when you were in high school. The whole thing smells of teenage wish-fulfillment - and if it's real, and the guys have a market, tells us something rather sad about the state of the so called "adult world". Some bits are quite a laugh.... >Any woman worthy to be your wife will respect you for your resourcefulness >and love you for the intensity of your feelings. Curiously enough, the sort of woman I normally find attractive would break my spine should she discover I paid a bunch of Chicago gumshoes to arrange a chance meeting after running a complete screening of her tastes. But that's just me, I'm sure. >Q. >Your clients are all losers, right? > >A. >On the contrary. > >Our clients tend to be extremely successful. Some are investment bankers, >others own companies in the IT sector. As diverse as their profiles are, >they all have one thing in common: All are focused on their goals and >realize that Coincidence Design is an extremely effective and useful tool. > >Successful individuals tend to be driven towards getting things done, and >that's what we're all about. We make things happen. If you are going to >sit around all day waiting for good fortune to walk in your door, you are >unlikely to become successful. THIS ONE creeps me out no end. Success = not having the cojones to chat her up, but the dough to buy a (supposedly) fail-safe opportunity. Go and talk about values. But really, it's a great game resource - or as the starting point for fiction. Reminds me of an old French TV series, called something like "Interim Agency" - they basically provided someone to take your place so you could be in two places at the same time. Great front for friendlies. Or for the Devil wanting an option on your soul. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:15 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] [News] No go for crashed spy plane as art An interesting twist to the recent Orion spy plane saga: http://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/article.asp?idart=8450 AFC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/