From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:43 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com'; DG Tradecraft (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Hacking for Case Officers This is not meant to be a real-world technical discussion of how to break into computers, but rather a broad-brushstroke overview. Comments / additions are welcome and encouraged... but be gentle, as I'm writing this in between CPU cycles *grin*. Types of attack ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DoS: Denial of Service. Shutting down or preventing access to a targets computer / network. This can be anything from annoying (your PC reboots) to the dangerous (the national air traffic control network just went off line). Detection is trivial (hey, how come all the screen just went dark?!?). See http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/yahoo000208.html . Intrusion: Gaining unauthorized access to a target system. Detection can be from the trivial (Hey, who changed our web site?) to the nearly impossible. Purposes range from the obvious (gain access to restricted data) to the sublime (install attack software for a later DoS on another target). Methods of attack ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Social Engineering: Convincing an authorized user of a target system to comply with your wishes. This can be anything from giving you their login / password combination to clicking an attachment icon (in the case of many viri ( see http://www.ukans.edu/acs/virus/viruses/goner.shtml ) ). http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1527 has a very in-depth discussion. Malware: Malicious programs designed to run on a target system. These can be Trojans (as in the horse, not the condom) which degrade the security of the target (see http://sourceforge.net/projects/bo2k/ ) or a virus designed to disrupt or destroy the target system (note: I'm counting worms as viri, but others consider them to be in a category of their own). Weaknesses in Applications: Many programs have something wrong with them; sometimes these problems can be exploited to attack a system (see http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011220/ts/microsoft_hackers_7.html ). Note that to exploit these weaknesses an attacker would almost certainly write an program (or script... thus the term "script kiddies".. one who runs another's exploit without understanding the underlying code). How hard is the target? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is a subjective question, and gameplay should be a factor. Obviously, the most sensitive data (nuclear launch codes, OUTLOOK research, formula for New Coke) will not be connected to the public internet ( see http://www.fas.org/irp/program/disseminate/siprnet.htm for an example of a separate network ). Commercial entities usually do not maintain separate networks. Consider most companies (especially the small to medium size) to have poor to moderate security over all, while larger organizations have moderate to good. Good security should look something like http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/infocus.pl?id=1504 . _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hacking for Case Officers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rayburn, Russell E." > Weaknesses in Applications: Many programs have something wrong with them; > sometimes these problems can be exploited to attack a system (see > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011220/ts/microsoft_hackers_7.html ). Quote from the article: "Just last week, Microsoft's corporate security officer, Howard Schmidt, expressed frustration about continuing threats from overflows. ``I'm still amazed that we allow these things to occur,'' he said at a conference of technology executives. Schmidt is expected soon to resign from Microsoft to work for President Bush's top computer security adviser." *Still* amazed, eh Howie? Then you are one of the few bipeds extant that is. Since almost every update downloaded by that spiffy automated feature is a security patch to close a hole in the original product that has been exploited by a teenager in his spare time, I'd think your amazement muscles would be getting a little sore by now. Much like the virtual rectum of the public at large is getting a tad tender from the (in)attentions of Microsoft. You see, in the old days people didn't pay to be Beta testers for y'all. Whoops, that's right, it's Xmas and it's everyone's patriotic duty to buy version 1.0 of a MS product in spite, nay, *because* of the track record. If we don't buy XP the terrorists win. Uh, I don't want to start a MS-bashing thread, but damn. This stuff reeks of Big Brother worries and WEE machinations. Fiction now, just extrapolating from a few article tidbits and looking through the glass darkly. 1) Despite protests and warnings and even some begging by people that know what they are talking about, XP is being released with all those gnarly abilities to spoof and access intact. DoS attacks will now be toys for users even less knowledgeable than script kiddies. Point and click kiddies. Open an email after being told, begged and warned not to kiddies. There is no rational reason for this power and plenty of good common sense reasons to disable it. Combine the ability to deny service anonymously with a back door to take over the machine so you can anonymously take over a shitload of machines to deny service all over the place. Wowsers. And since the anonymity is assured, who's to say it isn't [drumroll] TERRORISTS!!! You'd think they *want* chaos. 2) So the OS touted as the safest, most secure ever has a gaping hole that would allow the machine to be taken over, files to be stolen, keystrokes recorded. Sort of like the stuff the FBI wants to surreptitiously place on the desktop of suspected evil-doers. Makes you wonder if those Justice Department machinations against Microsoft have led to a little off-the-screen cooperation with the gummint in return for a little applied incompetence among the trust and monopoly busters. Since Colin Powell and Alexander Haig weren't on the board at Microsoft as they were at AOL, pressure had to be applied from the outside. In the fictional world, the patch doesn't close the hole, it just makes the hole require a password. But that's OK, the government won't use it unless, uh, they really want to. Or a tame judge says it's OK; whichever comes first. 3) It isn't a government conspiracy at all. It's a MS conspiracy. If you dug deeper and found some smoking code indicating that they made the hole on purpose, it would turn out to be an "ill-advised" tactic to, uh, detect software piracy. But it wouldn't be used against Americans. Honest. Just those awful Red Chinese. 4) OK, you caught us. It was an exploitable hole we installed *because* we knew it would be pirated in China. Thanks for blowing the whole project, you've made democracy so much safer you Liberal journalists you. Now why don't you broadcast some troop movements? 5) It was a feature. It was a way for MS Tech Support to fix any problems you had with other company's products under the MS OS *for* you, so you wouldn't have to learn any technical stuff. Unfortunately some panicky paranoid conspiracy types don't want to make it easier to use computers, so sadly that feature had to be dropped because it was being misconstrued as *intrusive*. Then I suppose they went off to force city hall to allow Nazis to march at the Christmas parade because it's *constitutional* or something. The program was discontinued, but the "hooks" into the "Operating System" were still present. Very technical, you don't need to hear about that. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew Gable [empirion33@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 5:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Since I've Been Out Of the Loop. A few questions: 1) What's WEE? Gets referred to a lot, most recently in the Hacking thread. 2) Did anything more ever happen with the Cult of Transcendence? Did the sourcebook ever materialize, or is it just fertile ground for our devious little conspiratorial minds to wander through? OK, that's it I think. ===== Soraidh, Andrew D. Gable empirion33@hotmail.com, empirion33@yahoo.com THE CRYPTOWEB v3.0: http://come.to/the_cryptoweb/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How's this for a Friendly cover? On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:45:20 -0800, The Lizard King wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Ewing" > >> 1) She's from Irvine. > and > >> What I really wanted to talk about was Irvine, and it's ilk. > > Sorry to butt in, but I think many of the faithful readers out >there might >need a little more info on Irvine. I thought I'd let them mentally insert their own tony suburb. I hope I'm not poaching on Dr. Dee's territory when I mention that the current Prime Minister of Italy founded his fortune on building middle-class developments around Milan, which is a vibish sort of place, and has the world's first shopping mall, the Corso. One more thing about Irvine: the UC there was built in the 70's, and the regents stipulated that the campus should have no central area for students to gather, thus avoiding unpleasantness such as plagued on the more northerly campuses. Ideology encoded in the architecture, although perhaps it always is. At any rate, I could scarcely have done the magisterial job you did comparing and contrasting, Your Saurian Majesty. Jeff -- Jeff Ewing, ambjpe@gis.net on 12/21/2001 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:58 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How's this for a Friendly cover? On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:42:39 -0500, Chris Womack wrote: >An interesting side-effect to this retreat from the outdoor world >into our >little cocoons is the upsurge in the sales of (or at least the >advertising >for) air-freshening products. Little electric plug-in scented oil >warmers. >Fabric deodorizing sprays. Air filters and purifiers. We want to >live our >lives indoors, but we don't want to have to smell ourselves doing >it. If the >sense of smell is the most evocative of memory, then what do we make >of this >push to deaden--or mask--the odors of living? Very interesting. Smell is one of the slipperiest senses; I seem to recall reading it's processed waaay back there in the lizard brain (sorry, Mark). It's hard to describe smells except by comparison to others isn't it? I've often thought I should make more use of it in simulations as a case officer. Raymond Chandler is very good at this; check out the first scene in _The Big Sleep_, where Marlowe is in the orchid hot-house. Shelley, of course, cannot see the flowers at his feet, he can only smell them, and then names each one. And just to keep this vibe focussed, Charlotte Perkins Gilman's narrator in _The Yellow Wallpaper_ is driven mad not by the color of the eponymous wall paper, but by "the yellow smell." One thing odd about the air-fresheners is that they purvey false memories: if you live in Nebraska, say, you probably don't have fond memories of pine-scented forests, and who, in today's nuclear family, remembers "Grandma's sachet" or whatever loopy marketing-weasel name they give it. I think that the determination to ignore the environment, and it's smells, chimes in pretty well the Carcosan court's determination to ignore the creatures swarming on the ceiling, befouling the feast with their droppings. (Is that canon or SuperDave's "Angel"? I can't remember.) One more observation: our real-estate agent asked us if we could bake and/or brew coffee when she brought people in. The idea is to trick people into believing that they were already at home -- even though relatively few people probably bake their own bread. -- Jeff (smelled like fear when he saw Womack responding to one of his posts) Ewing, ambjpe@gis.net on 12/21/2001 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eric Eves [eeves@erskine.edu] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 9:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Surely the group will not use force on an old man.... > But I also advocate the "getting used to > this shit" rules and applying them here - once the players have lost as much > SAN as they can possibly lose from hacking harmless old men to death, they > don't have to lose any more. On the other hand, what kind of person would have "gotten used to" chopping up innocent old men? A person with 0 SAN, says I. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward [nyar@fnord23.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hacking for Case Officers [Russel's excellent overview sacrificed to the bandwidth Gods] I would add a couple of additional points. The first major one is that a number of us still use the old meaning of the word "hack", which is to bang out code. Us old-timers often use the word "crack" to mean breaking into compuyer systems. Now, pass my zimmer, and I'll add a couple of extra points: 1) Document tracking. With the wonderful world of MS Office being able to understand hyperlinks, you can embed a one pixel image url reference in a word document, which "phones home" to a website. That website can garner lots of cool funky stuff off of your machine, including your operating system version and your IP address (you are firewalled and using NAT aren't you?) 2) The Default Password. Classics for this were the DEC VMS field engineer acount, and Cisco routers. Many systems come with priviledged accounts with a default password. Now, many people change the obvious ones straight away (root/administrator/manager etc.). However, there are often other priviledged accounts on the system which people either don't know about ('cos they don't read all the instructions) or forget to change. It was popular to find these systems, use a priviledged account, and then create your own with privs. Then, using your privs, erase your entries from the logs. 3) The Spy. Often installed through either an intrusion, or through social engineering. It's a little peice of software which sits on your machine, and monitors your keypresses and any other process the programmer desires. Warning Will Robinson, the FBI have developed a version of their own as a followup to Carnivore. 4) The Heist. Basically this is breaking the internet Domain Name Service (DNS) to make a website's address, and point it at your own. Finally, those of you running WinXP, and have a C/C++ compiler, try this code fragment: #include void main(void) { for (i=0; i<5; i++) printf("\t\t\t\b\b\b\b\b"); } I am so glad that as of 1st of January, I recover from being a sys-admin, and go back to being a programmer :-) Jon -- Fnord. _______________________________________________________________________ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, only Ł12.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How's this for a Friendly cover? Greetings. Jeff wrote.... >I thought I'd let them mentally insert their own tony suburb. I hope >I'm not poaching on Dr. Dee's territory when I mention that the >current Prime Minister of Italy founded his fortune on building >middle-class developments around Milan, which is a vibish sort of >place, and has the world's first shopping mall, the Corso. The complexes as "Milano 2" and "Milano 3" - which to me always sounded as moonbases or something. Described as "A Peaceful Haven ten minutes from the heart of Milan" (supposing you travelled by 'copter), these were indeed hugely successful developments. Our current Prime Minister (but he prefers to be called "Mister President") used his first wife's family building companies and recycled [redacted] money to set up the thing. These were the late 70s/early 80s - while P2 was quietly congregating in not-so-dilapidated Roman palaces and drawing up the "Democratic Rebirth Programme", its puppets were having a good time in Milan proper, and the self-styled "moral capital of Italy" was living in a heady blizzard of cocaine, models, cheap sex, designer clothes and disco-dancing politicians. Milano 2 and Milano 3 were marketed to the rising yuppie community as safe enclaves in which to rise kids and dogs away from such lower class threats as urban homeless, drug pushers and rioting football fans, while every night still being able to hit the big time in town, mixing with the right crowd and having a good time. Interestingly enough, Milano 2 and Milano 3 became the setting of choice for no ending of urban legends. Back then, if someone told you something outrageous, it was usually happening in Milano 2 or 3. Today nobody talks about the places anymore - once the ad campaign was over and every semidetached house had been allocated, the place simply moved outside of the public's eye and for all practical purposes, out of our reality. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 7:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How's this for a Friendly cover? hic... Merry Christmas... - The Nuge The Captain is a One-Armed Dwarf He's throwing dice along the wharf In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 7:22 PM To: Delta Green Subject: Re: [DG] Since I've Been Out Of the Loop. > 2) Did anything more ever happen with the Cult of > Transcendence? Did the sourcebook ever materialize, > or is it just fertile ground for our devious little > conspiratorial minds to wander through? Still on the back burner. be seeing you, Alphonse _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:53 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Hacking for Case Officers -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ward [mailto:nyar@fnord23.fsnet.co.uk] The first major one is that a number of us still use the old meaning of the word "hack", which is to bang out code. Us old-timers often use the word "crack" to mean breaking into compuyer systems. I did try using 'cracker' a few years ago... most people thought I was insulting people from the southeastern united states. I tend to use 'Hacker' both to refer to banging out code and breaking into systems. 1) Document tracking. Excellent point. I was thinking cinematically, but this has potential as well. Also, HTML enabled email can have the same effect. Some people seem to have gotten code to execute on remote machines with similar methods (via calling an executable in an IMG tag) but I'd have to play with that before I'd say it worked. 2) The Default Password. Douh! Yeah, that's tasty... and so obvious it got by me. Also, when looking for places to try default passwords, never forget the database itself... 3) The Spy. This might be considered a subspecies of malware... I referenced Back Orafice in the original article (which makes quite a handy monitoring tool.. and is free... ). 4) The Heist. Basically this is breaking the internet Domain Name Service (DNS) to make a website's address, and point it at your own. An effective DOS... but your average ISP's DNS server is (usually) better defended than the target system. Not always... but usually. I am so glad that as of 1st of January, I recover from being a sys-admin, and go back to being a programmer :-) I enjoyed sysadmining (no BD/SM jokes please ;-) ) but like DBA work with the occasional maintenance application / web app development thrown in... *wink* _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] you cant make this up :P 23rd December 2001 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Microwave Attack & 'World-Action' If you stop your 16 month microwave attack on my person, I will take my 'World-Action' website down within three days of your ending this microwave harassment. Michael Irving, British Isles. michaeli@globalnet.co.uk http://www.world-action.co.uk < UNQUOTE > man , you just cant make this stuff up :P those dammed evil guvmmint microwaves have* obviously* scrambled his brain and after 16 months , is he not cooked yet , sheesh talk about a slow ` roast ` . yours - AJ ( lacking the will to write gaming fiction any more , ` RL` is much more entertaining ) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 12:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Official DG and No Majestic? Talking about time travel and resonators on the dgww2 list, I realized there's a small wrinkle in the "DG destroys Majestic and becomes official" plans. According to the PROJECT RAINBOW book, Majestic still exists in 2012. Now, if you want to destroy Majestic or even just have the Endtimes anytime soon in your campaign, forget about it or fudge the dates (I probably will). But if canon is a big deal for some reason, something called "Majestic" still carrying out their projects needs to be around in 2012. Maybe DG destroys Majestic, soon realizes, like PISCES, that they will need to exploit the Mythos to truly fight it, and re-establishes the "Majestic" organization under their watch, allowing certain projects, like Project TELL, to continue. Or maybe DG subverts Majestic from within, having Agent NANCY snack on Justin Kroft and Shan their way on the Steering Committee. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 12:16 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Surely the group will not use force on an old man.... Perhaps an agent wouldn't get used to chopping up innocents... but he might get used to doing morally repugnant things in defense against a greater evil. This is where moral relativism can come in... the classic example is: "Would you kill a baby?" "Hell no!" "What if it was a baby Hitler? By killing him as a child, you could prevent the death of six million." "Ummmm..." It really depends on what kind of game you want to play. Many of the games I've been in ... well, nothing is unthinkable but everything has consequences. Rus Black and white don't hold the same appeal as infinite shades of gray. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Eves [mailto:eeves@erskine.edu] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Surely the group will not use force on an old man.... On the other hand, what kind of person would have "gotten used to" chopping up innocent old men? A person with 0 SAN, says I. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 1:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all Just wanted to say merry christmas to y'all out there on the perimeter where the stars have no names... Personally, I'm leafing through my two new Unknown Armies sourcebooks and drinking Jameson Irish Whisky. Be careful out there, mates. Jussi M Nixon has left the building _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of balance@tubas.net Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 2:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all On Monday, December 24, 2001, at 02:36 PM, Jussi Marttila wrote: > Just wanted to say merry christmas to y'all out there on the perimeter > where the stars have no names... > > Personally, I'm leafing through my two new Unknown Armies sourcebooks > and drinking Jameson Irish Whisky. Be careful out there, mates. > Best wishes to all, and let's hope the only cthuloids in your dreams are the ones you want... ('Course, I'm still at work... The work of a DG mission planner, er, telecom tech, is never done.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 2:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all Merry Christmas, agents!! Personally, I'm tending The Spawn . . . In haste The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jussi Marttila" > Just wanted to say merry christmas to y'all out there on the perimeter where > the stars have no names... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 2:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all Merry Christmas, dudes. Here's hoping that the efforts of Delta Green keep the world together for yet another year. Well, I have to go now and prepare for the ritual to summon Yog-Sothoth only performable on the 25th December so that I can ask him if Elvis is truly dead. And if so, I can raucously party like it's 1999. Now, where have those damn virgins got to? Voidchaser. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 2:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all Jussi Marttila wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: > Personally, I'm leafing through my two new Unknown Armies sourcebooks and > drinking Jameson Irish Whisky. Be careful out there, mates. For me it is Puppetland/Power Kill by the one man we all know and while I'm not sure I will play the games they are a hell of food thought. OK, maybe I'll play Puppetland, but Power Kill only if I decide I don't want to play RPGs anymore. A pity that my order of Countdown and Dark Theatres didn't make it on time. Merry Christmas to you all. May all your stars will never get Right. Alex -- Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-Framling | Thawte Web Of Trust Notary Gdy daję biednym chleb, nazywają mnie świętym. Gdy pytam, dlaczego biedni nie mają chleba, nazywają mnie komunistą. - abp. Helder Camara _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 3:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all Greetings. Everyone's engaged in his favourite activities as the world rolls by > >>Personally, I'm tending The Spawn . . . > > Personally, I'm leafing through my two new Unknown Armies sourcebooks and > > drinking Jameson Irish Whisky. Be careful out there, mates. > >For me it is Puppetland/Power Kill by the one man we all know and while I'm >not sure I will play the games they are a hell of food thought. Well, I've just been through the Metabarons RPG (quite good) and Trinity's Terra Verde (extremely good) - none of which have anything to do with DG. BUT! Today I went to the local store (oh, so sadly under new management) and just for a lark asked the new guys about DG: Countdown, which has so far failed to materialize on their shelves. They told me Countdown's been announced a while back, but Pagan never got around to actually publish it in the first place. I set them straight - much to hilarity of the regulars (that loathe the new management, as it's right they should). For the rest, the cold is bitter and Nothing (TM) is on the telly, meaning the world goes on as usual. Merry Christmas, conspirators. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Mclean [Shane.Mclean@t-online.de] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 5:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all Hey all, Merry Christmas and all that! I'd love to compare presents, but i don't get 'em until tomorrow. :-( Still, it's two-day Shadowrun session Christmas! (oh, the joys of a gaming wife and no kids!) Take care, Shane _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 4:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] If Santa was Delta Green http://www.mindspring.com/~furrylogic/deltagreen/santa.html Merry X-mas! Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all On 24 December 2001, while waiting up for Santa, Glove Cleaner "Andy Robertson" said: >Merry Christmas, agents!! > >Personally, I'm tending The Spawn . . . Me, I was in a good enough mood to send a (nice) e-Christmas card to my ex-lady friend... (It's around the holidays that I lose 0/1d3 SAN; made my SAN roll this time... barely... SAD, isn't it?):) But Merry Christmas to all, and may Santa leave appropriate gifts, such as extra ammo, TH3 incindeary grenades, Stinger missiles, lockpick sets, Spy Cars, garlic and wolfsbane, and Elder Signs! (And if you hear something about to land on your roof in the middle of the night, don't launch that SAM immediately -- it might be Santa!) Merry Christmas to Mr. Lepus, and may his Christmas stocking there on the mantel be overflowing once more with coal, and all his presents be underwear and terrible looking ties!:) Merry Christmas even to the MiB, in his Secret Volcano Base, who will doubtless go "BAH, HUMBUG!" and blast us all in the way that the MiB does so well...:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com "Yo, ho, ho! Merry Christmas!" -- The Dread Pirate Santa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] How Osama Tried to Steal Christmas All, a friend at the NSA sent this to me. Final Mission Briefing-Santa Jihad All is in readiness. Proceed with the operation as planned. Acquire Santa's magic snowball and FTL flying sleigh technology. Eliminate all witnesses. Once the snowball is in our possession we will know when people are sleeping or awake and know if they've been bad or good, so make sure you get it for goodness sake. Once we reverse engineer the sleigh, we will incorporate the technology into the aircraft of nations friendly to us and have the fastest aircraft in the world-to say nothing of the load capacity. Resulting destruction of the North Pole base and oppressive gift-giving figure will demoralize Western world. While they are all upset, I'll sneak out of this damn cave. There will be no one to stop us this time. Apparently the operation didn't go as planned. An official with the office of Elfland Security says Norad is currently tracking Santa at: http://www.noradsanta.org/english/index.html The are currently unconfirmed reports that an unidentified aircraft flew a sortie of Tora Bora and delivered a payload of several tons of coal and reindeer feces. Kindred _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Brett Dixon [balance@tubas.net] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Janusz A. Urbanowicz wrote: > A pity that my order of Countdown and Dark Theatres didn't make it on time. Dark theatres, besideshaving a cool enough cover to convince me to buy DG, has some great stories... Much more approachable and human than many Lovecraft mythos tales, but still with a great sense of foreboding in the background. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Brett Dixon [balance@tubas.net] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] If Santa was Delta Green On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Gil Trevizo wrote: > http://www.mindspring.com/~furrylogic/deltagreen/santa.html For bizarre Santas, don't forget Chaosium's home page (Santa Cthulhu) and Dream Pod 9's (Heavy Gear Santa, whith Rudolph the Red Hatched Mammoth Strider pulling the slay (www.dp9.com))... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Test > Hello out there? > -- > Julian Breen we love ya big man! Merry Christmas! (And he is big: I've met him!) - The Nuge (hic) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 7:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all > Personally, I'm leafing through my two new Unknown Armies sourcebooks and > drinking Jameson Irish Whisky. Be careful out there, mates. Whiskey - Irish Whiskey is of its own kind. In Irish it is Uisce beatha, which means "water of Life". And as I see it, tastes like shoggoth piss. Give me Wild Turkey. Merry Chrimbo, and keep it wierd. - The Nuge (somewhat merry. And fat. Hey, I'm Santa!) The Captain is a One-Armed Dwarf He's throwing dice along the wharf In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 7:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] CHRISTMASSSSSSSS deltagreen@revolutionsf.com wrote: > > > > Hello out there? > > -- > > Julian Breen and happy Yigmass to the Lizard King: does he hope for the gentle pitter patter of Serpent Claus, dropping MiGo brain cylanders down his organ depository chute? Hiss hiss hiss _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 8:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Sanity Threshold (was: Surely the group..) All this talk of killing old men and wrapping babies in det-cord got me to thinking - if your characters are that far gone, how should this be reflected in mechanics? The idea I had: the first time someone does something reprehensible IC, make a note of it, as well as note that certain characters have done reprehensible things in their backstory. And when it comes time to give sanity awards at the end of the scenario, withhold it accordingly, based on the concept that someone who is willing to do certain things would not get any sanity back in certain situations, as it means nothing to him at all. For example: say someone thinks nothing of killing bystanders as long as the job gets done. If the group's up for a SAN bonus for saving people, don't give it to that character. If he doesn't care if they live or die, why should he get SAN back for it? and so on. J. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 8:50 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all And I, for my part, have the day off since I work for an "American" university, but my wife must yet work this day. So I get to go prepare dinner. And wonder if the odd, book-shaped lump is what I think it is... Happy Yule to all! J. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 8:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] merry stolen pagan giftmass festival good evening one and all its 02:50 GMT , 25/12/2001 , and i have survived the ordeal thus far so , i wih all out there happy ` WHATEVER ` celebrate what ever flicks your switch , with my blessing good night and ................... tommorow is another day , and , whatever . yours - AJ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of H. Todd J. Moore [htoddjmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 9:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all James, Tell CJ Hello, and Merry Christmas and Happy Yule to the both of (and all of the rest of) you. I am here with my father attempting to keep the little shreds of sanity we both have from flapping away in the winter wind... like the wings of so many nightgaunts. Todd Oh, of course, hoping that when I get back home, I will have a large book shaped lump mysteriously sitting on my couch. > And I, for my part, have the day off since I work > for an "American" > university, but my wife must yet work this day. > > So I get to go prepare dinner. > > And wonder if the odd, book-shaped lump is what I > think it is... > > Happy Yule to all! > > J. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 9:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Merry f***ing xmas, y'all "It was the Yuletide, that men call Christmas though they know in their hearts it is older than Bethlehem and Babylon, older than Memphis and mankind." -- HPL's The Festival Wear your cloak. Its nippy outside. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/