From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:55 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Starkweather Foundation: Beyond "Beyond the Mountains of Madness" [LONG] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Dash" > I don't know what James' ideas about the Foundation were but I kept thinking > of the organ smuggling institution from the movie "Coma". My idea would be > that they would sell organs to support their activities in the south... > "Kidney for sale ... kidney for sale ..." I imagined that organlegging (!) would take place using the bodies of the homeless, the psychologically damaged and the poor (all covered up by DG, of course). Don't think for a second that morgues being mysteriously emptied overnight has nothing to do with that humble 34th floor office up in Greenwich Village. James Knevitt psipsina@iprimus.com.au Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they -aren't- out to get you. Just ask Elizabeth Brady Cabot Winslow. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:35 AM To: DGML Subject: [DG] Pandora's Box, Psychic Warfare for Delta Green I've been running into a wall of writer's block and general ennui lately. Also, my computer keyboard has been acting up and this doesn't encourage a lot of writing. Nevertheless, I slowly make progress on Pandora's Box (for those late to the show, it's based on Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain, the Microwave Mind Control conspiracy and the very real Project STAR GATE remote viewing program conducted by various organizations within the Intelligence Community). Right now, I'm lost as where to proceed. I had some vague notions of STAR GATE being a joint Delta Green endeavor during the 1970's in opposition to the Soviet Soliton irradiated psychics, with Majestic gradually gaining influence over the 1980's and 1990's. Don't worry though, I'll come up with something. Meanwhile, here's a brief exerpt to keep your appetite's whetted. ******* Operation SABER VALLEY In the winter of 1964 strange things began to happen at the village of Fecamp in the Normandy region of France. Unusual lights appeared in the night sky, phantoms manifested and vanished on radar screens. At the same time a series of hauntings occured at the abbey of Eglise Sainte-Trinité. The monks at the abbey church reported seeing numerous apparitions, including what appeared to be a jewish girl clad in rags accompanied by an elder orthodox jewish rabbi. By this time, many Soviet embassies had psychotronic sensors and other devices. The GRU-SV8 was quietly investigating any paranormal occurance, and the KGB often followed suit. Thus, it was a team of KGB technicians from the Paris embassy who first determined that the abbey was suffering from a Soliton wave disturbance. In response, the KGB sent Major Grigori Rasputin, a chess Grandmaster and natural born telepath to investigate. Mossad agents in the KGB informed the Israeli intelligence service about the operation. The Israelis promptly decided to investigate the situation as well. The situation escalated over the next few weeks; several monks at the abbey were torn to shreds by an unknown entity, and the involvement of the Eastern Bloc became apparant to Delta Green via NSA intercepts of embassy communications traffic. The Joint Chiefs decided to send a small Delta Green team to discover what was going on and take appropriate action. The clandestine action was called Operation SABER VALLEY. The result of the operation was a muddled mess. Many more people died across northern France as a result of the things from beyond hounding the Azarya family. Delta Green agents, the Soviets, and the Mossad watched in horror as a young man named Zhodan Azarya somehow managed to summon YOG-SOTHOTH in a French Vinyard, which seemed to put an end to the interdimensional disturbance brought on by the Jewish family's return from beyond. The KGB reported that there were no surviving Azarya's. As is so often the case in Russia, the truth remains elusive. ******* The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:49 AM To: DGML Subject: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE Here is a timeline of events related to PANDORA's BOX. Any comments, corrections, criticisms are appreciated. ******* APPENDIX Beta: Pandora's Timeline. 1871 - Edward Bulwer-Lytton's "The Coming Race" published 1918 -1920 - Lt. Studnikov encounters Ghouls when suppressing an outbreak of cannibalism in Siberia. 1920, April - Franklin Rathke destroys Crawford Tillinghast's Resonator. 1927 - Captain Studnikov investigates an Evenki cult dedicated to Kotura, "Lord of the Winds". 1928 - The Library of Ivan the Terrible unearthed beneath the Kremlin. 1931 - Major Studnikov discovers that the OGPU is conducting occult research for Stalin. SV-8 is formed. 1937 Summer - Willeim Eisenbein obtains a small prototype of the Tillinghast Resonator and returns to England. 1937 - GRU SV8 is purged along with the rest of the Red Army. Colonel Studnikov is shot and killed by Smersh. 1938 - Pavel Sudoplatov is ressurected by Smersh Occultists. 1939 - Semyon Kirlian develops a technique to photograph the human aura. 1940 - The General Staff reorganizes SV-8 to exploit the Nazi belief in the Occult. Sometime in 1942 - The Azarya's escape into the future using their Pineal Powers. 1943 - Delta Green arranges for the Donnerschlag's destruction by allied bombers. 1943 - Karotechia saboteurs posing as archeologists in the American Southwest recover the Vril Lens from an Anazasi site. 1943, October 28 - The Philadelphia Experiment begins with the activation of the MIRAGE III device onboard the USS Eldridge. 1945 - Ressucitated Casualties encountered by the Red Army on the First Belorussian Front at the Polish city of Lodz. 1945 - In a desperate race against Delta Green's Operation SUMMER BREEZE, Smersh recovers Eisenbein's research. 1946 - Pavel Sudoplatov placed in charge of MGB Special Bureau Number 1 (Spetsburo). Eisenbein's research applied to all manner of offensive Electromagnetic weaponry. 1950 - Czechoslovakian Military builds a Hospital in North Korea to use POW's as experimental subjects. 1951 - Vril Research in the Soviet Union develops an early Soliton Wave device, the Psycho Acoustic Projector. 1952 - Soviet scientists warn their western counterparts at Sandia National Laboratories about the offensive potential of Electromagnetic Radiation. They are ignored. 1952-1953 - Delta Green Operation SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS eliminates Dr. Erwin Peis and the Soviet Necromantic Experiments. 1953 - Josef Stalin dies. Lavrenti Beria assasinated by Krushchev and Zhukov. GRU ruthlessly purges Smersh. 1953 - The KGB begins to irradiate the US Embassy in Moscow with microwave frequency radar. The radiations cause a deterioration of health among embassy staff. The irradiations continue for many years. 1953 - MKULTRA experiments authorized by CIA Director Allen Dulles. 1956 - Krushchev makes his "Secret Speech" denouncing Stalin. 1957 - Krushchev selects Novosibirsk as the site for the Siberian Division of the USSR Academy of Sciences. This leads to the construction of Akademgorodok (the Academic City). 1959, September 15-27 - Soviet Premier Nikita Krushchev tours the United States. 1960, May 1 - A U-2 reconnaisance plane of the U.S. was shot down in the Soviet Union, the Pilot Gary Powers is convicted of espionage and held for 21 months. 1961- Yuri Kasavin displays astonishing powers but is gruesomely killed by things from beyond. 1962 - Project PANDORA (including sub-projects TUMS, BAZAR, MUTS) started in response to the discovery that the Soviet Union has been irradiating the American Embassy in Moscow for the last decade. 1964, October 14 - Krushchev forced to resign by the Central Committee. 1964, Winter - Azarya's reappear scattered across Normandy. They are pursued by Hounds of Tindalos, the KGB, the Stasi, the Mossad, the French Intelligence Services, and Delta Green. 1968 - First Moscow International Conference on Parapsychology 1969 - US intelligence sources conclude that the Soviet Union is engaged in "psychotronic" research. 1970 - Delta Green disbanded by the Pentagon in order to avoid a Senate Inquiry. 1970 - CIA inititates SCANATE (Scan by Coordinate) remote viewing program. 1972 - The Stanford Research Institute (later SRI International) begins remote viewing research in Menlo Park, CA. 1973, January - CIA Director Richard Helms orders the destruction of many documents related to MKULTRA. 1974 - Dr. Avi Tischler of Project PUZZLE postulates the "Loop Paradox" to explain the Men from the Future. 1977 - GONDOLA WISH, an Army Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) Systems Exploitation Detachment (SED) evaluates potential adversary applications of remote viewing. 1977 - Senate Select Committee on Intelligence holds hearings on MKULTRA (Chaired by Sen. DANIEL K. INOUYE, D-Hawaii) 1978, Mid - As a result of the GONDOLA WISH findings, an operational collection project using Remote Viewing was formalized under Army intelligence as GRILL FLAME. 1978 - Dr. Albert Yrjo is approached by Dr. Abner Ringwood to conduct the first Stress Reaction Tests for Majestic. The OUTLOOK Group is reborn. 1979 - SRI's research is incorporated into the GRILL FLAME Project 1982 - Project PUZZLE is absorbed into Majestic. Project TELL is instated by Majestic to exploit resonator technology. 1983 - The GRILL FLAME program is re-designated as the INSCOM CENTER LANE Project (ICLP) 1985, Late - Army funding is cut off due to an unfavorable evaluation from the National Academy of Sciences' National Research Council. The ICLP is redesignated SUN STREAK and transferred to DIA's Scientific and Technical Intelligence Directorate, with the office code DT-S. 1991 - Under the auspices of the DIA, the remote viewing program is shifted to the Science Applications International Corporation [SAIC] and renamed STAR GATE. 1991 - OUTLOOK group moves it's Stress Reaction Testing to Puerto Rico. 1992 - Dr. Yrjo demands and receives MAJIC clearance. Experiements with the SPECTRUM chemicals derived from COOKBOOK research begins. 1993 - Project TELL begins operations with "The Concern" at the Monument facility. 1994 - Delta Green reorganizes after the assassination of MAJ GEN Reginald Fairfield (ret.). 1995 - The FY 1995 Defense Appropriations bill transfers the remote viewing program to CIA. The American Institutes for Research (AIR) evaluates the program for the CIA. As a result of their conclusions, the CIA shut down the program, concluding "that there was no case in which ESP had provided data used to guide intelligence operations." 1999 - The ARTIFACT ZERO Investigation takes place at Billings, Montana. 2012 - Majestic Project WELLS sends U.S. Navy CAPT James Francis Poulsen and his team back in time to destroy the MIRAGE III device aboard the USS Eldridge in 1943. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vampires Dave Farnell writes > >Basically, these are traditional vampires, down to turning to mist and >having to sleep on their native soil. Why do they have all these attributes? >Because it's traditional, of course! Hollywood 'traditional' of course. :) Many folklore tales don't ascribe such abilities to the undead. > >I think he would have ended up with something more like the KULT vampires, >who are not necessarily good or evil, but eventually lose their humanity >completely. And they're very weird (telescoping, needle-tipped tongues, for >example) The barbed tongue thing is actually far more common in folklore than fangs are, especially in the vampire myths of Eastern Europe. Fangs seem to be a generally fictional invention, no doubt meant to inspire terror and re-inforce the predatory nature of the beast. There is a continental film (made sometime in the 80's if I recall) set in somewhere like Prague that deals with a commune of these barbed- tongued vamps. Other than it being quite good, I don't remember much about it though, including its title. On a vampiric side note; recently ran 'The Hound' (Tiger Transit) and the PCs seriously managed to piss off the Tcho-tchos by whacking a few of their number. In retaliation a wounded PC was murdered in his hospital bed and his head 'stolen'. As the Burmese have stories of sorceror-vampires called the 'Kephn' -- flying head vamps similar to the penanggalen -- you just know that this will lead to tears. -- Julian Breen _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of R W [moonduck@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Police stop Bone-eating Sect... http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_544242.html Well, the article says it all. My only question is how the ghouls in India dress before they do interviews with the press? -Roy _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The Starkweather Foundation: Occupational Templates Hey, Here's those Starkweather Foundation occupational templates. If anyone can think of any more, It'd be good to see them. All Starkweather Foundation stuff should be on the Delta: Unknown site (in the Keeper section) soon (~36 hrs). -Occupational Templates- Starkweather Foundation Academic: Bargain, Credit Rating, Library Use, Other Language (likely to be French, German, Norwegian, Finnish, Russian, Danish or Icelandic), Persuade, Meteorology or Glaciology, and any one as a personal specialty: Anthropology, Archaeology, Biology, Chemistry, Geology, History, Medicine, Natural History or Polar Survival. Starkweather Foundation Field Agent: Climb, First Aid, Meteorology, Natural History, Navigate (Land) or Navigate (Sea/Air), Persuade, Polar Survival, Spot Hidden, and any two as personal specialties: Anthropology, Archaeology, Biology, Chemistry, Geology, History, or Medicine. Starkweather Foundation Sponsored Student: Bargain, Fast Talk, Library Use, Other Language, Polar Survival, and any three as specialties: Anthropology, Archaeology, Biology, Chemistry, Geology, History, Medicine or Natural History. Starkweather Foundation/Delta Green POLAR FROST Agent: Climb, Dodge, Elder Thing Culture, First Aid, Hide, Navigate (Land) or Navigate (Sea/Air), Other Language (French, German, Norwegian, Finnish, Russian, Danish or Icelandic; cell leader has the option of choosing Elder Thing Cipher), Persuade, Polar Survival, Spot Hidden, Handgun, Submachine Gun or Rifle. Comments, etc.? James Knevitt psipsina@iprimus.com.au Visit the Delta: Unknown site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ma/starrywisdom/ "Man is the cruelest animal." - Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:06 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DGML mentioned in Knights of the Dinner Table #65 ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" > A quick who command to majordomo@revolutionsf.com returned a result of 244 > listmembers as of this email, with maybe 50 more (an optimistic figure) > getting digests from the Backup. Officially, DGMLBackup has 76 members. I doubt every single one is getting a Digest, so I'd say you're right on the money. Let's say we've got close to 280 'active members' who read the list at least three times a week. James Knevitt psipsina@iprimus.com.au "The most merciful thing, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft, 'The Call of Cthulhu' "I know you can hear -my- thoughts, boy... meowmeowmeowmeow meowmeowmeowmeow meowmeow meowmeow meowmeowmeowmeow." - Homer Simpson, sending his thoughts to his son Bart. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of H. Todd J. Moore [htoddjmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE Extremely interested in this. Some excellent work obviosly being done here. Of particular note for me personally is The Philadelphia Experiment. I have done a little research into the story, and it is AT LEAST fascinating. Would like to discuss in further detail, as I have written an adventure (which I did at the 1999 NecronomiCON) regarding the developments of the Experiment. Note that this was before my encountering the the DG Timeline, so some changes must be made to my story line, but not as many as I thought, it turns out. If you would like to take this discussion off-group that's fine. There is a fairly extensive follow-up story involved, but would like to make it fit in, as much as possible, with the DG storyline/timeline. (major snippage) > 1943, October 28 - The Philadelphia Experiment > begins with the activation of the MIRAGE III device onboard the USS Eldridge. If there is more DG fleshing out of The Philadelphia Experiment, would like to know about it as well. Is there more in the archives? Thanks, Todd ===== In Xanadu did Kubla Khan Gyre and gimble in the wabe Where Alphe the Sacred River Ran Through caverns measureless to man, And the mome raths outgrabe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jürgen Hubert [jhubert@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE > If there is more DG fleshing out of The Philadelphia > Experiment, would like to know about it as well. Is > there more in the archives? There is an entire "Eyes Only" booklet on it published by Pagan Publishing, which will hopefully be reprinted together with the other "Eyes Only" booklets soon, damnit! (You might deduce from my emotional outpouring here that I don't own any of the "Eyes Only" books...) - Jürgen Hubert -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:12 AM To: DGML Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE Hey-- on 3/14/02 10:18 AM, Jürgen Hubert at jhubert@gmx.de wrote: >> If there is more DG fleshing out of The Philadelphia >> Experiment, would like to know about it as well. Is >> there more in the archives? > > There is an entire "Eyes Only" booklet on it published by Pagan Publishing, > which will hopefully be reprinted together with the other "Eyes Only" > booklets soon, damnit! To shed a little more light for H. Todd (Jurgen, you're such a tease), Pagan Publishing's "Eyes Only Vol. 3: Project Rainbow," written by Dennis Detwiller, is devoted entirely to tying the Philadelphia Experiment into the DG-verse. There's a review of it at RPG.net that covers all the salient points available here: http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_3067.html All the "Eyes Only" chapbooks are currently out of print, but Pagan has long had plans to reprint them all in a single volume, which would then be available through regular distribution (the original chapbooks were available only via mail-order direct from Pagan). When this will actually see the light of day is, sadly, anybody's guess. > (You might deduce from my emotional outpouring here that I don't own any of > the "Eyes Only" books...) Heh--me either, any more. I owned all three, but gave them away last summer as a door prize to help lure some of my lazy-bastard gamer friends into helping me move. At the time I was confident that I'd soon be able to replace them with the surely-appearing-any-time-now single-vol. reprint. So who's the fool? C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of H. Todd J. Moore [htoddjmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE THANK YOU. While not a substitute for the actual material, I truly appreciate the information. If I can fit my already created story into it, I will let you know. If anyone is interested, I would be glad to give them an outline. Todd --- Chris Womack wrote: > Hey-- > > on 3/14/02 10:18 AM, Jürgen Hubert at jhubert@gmx.de > wrote: > > >> If there is more DG fleshing out of The > Philadelphia > >> Experiment, would like to know about it as well. > Is > >> there more in the archives? > > > > There is an entire "Eyes Only" booklet on it > published by Pagan Publishing, > > which will hopefully be reprinted together with > the other "Eyes Only" > > booklets soon, damnit! > > To shed a little more light for H. Todd (Jurgen, > you're such a tease), Pagan > Publishing's "Eyes Only Vol. 3: Project Rainbow," > written by Dennis > Detwiller, is devoted entirely to tying the > Philadelphia Experiment into the > DG-verse. There's a review of it at RPG.net that > covers all the salient > points available here: > http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_3067.html > > All the "Eyes Only" chapbooks are currently out of > print, but Pagan has long > had plans to reprint them all in a single volume, > which would then be > available through regular distribution (the original > chapbooks were > available only via mail-order direct from Pagan). > When this will actually > see the light of day is, sadly, anybody's guess. > > > (You might deduce from my emotional outpouring > here that I don't own any of > > the "Eyes Only" books...) > > Heh--me either, any more. I owned all three, but > gave them away last summer > as a door prize to help lure some of my lazy-bastard > gamer friends into > helping me move. At the time I was confident that > I'd soon be able to > replace them with the surely-appearing-any-time-now > single-vol. reprint. So > who's the fool? > > C > > Chris Womack > jcwomack@earthlink.net > Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > ===== In Xanadu did Kubla Khan Gyre and gimble in the wabe Where Alphe the Sacred River Ran Through caverns measureless to man, And the mome raths outgrabe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Nukes R US Nukes in the news again. There was a classified Pentagon review of the US nuclear forces with recommendations for changing policy. It got leaked. The administration stance is that it is a re-evaluation of capabilities and a changing situation, and reduces the total number of weapons and a whole lot of good things. But there are a few troubling aspects. One is significantly lowering the threshold for going nuclear. Apparently the bar has now been set at "in the event of surprising military developments." Um, when the shit hits the fan, is there any other kind? How many military responses begin with a thoroughly expected military development? Another alarming aspect is the report's faith in missile defenses. It is written as if missile defense systems are on the shelf and just waiting to be deployed as soon as they get a budget. When you consider that the belief in a working missile defense shield was a component in the administration's sacrificing the ABM Treaty, it would be nice if it actually worked. Unfortunately, last week also saw the release of a report from the General Accounting Office that details how the Pentagon, TRW, Boeing, and a team of high-powered MIT scientists fabricated the success of the nation's first missile defense test -- turning an embarrassing failure into a phony triumph. That report from the GAO is not the first time this information has been made public. Dr. Nira Schwartz was on the TRW team in 1995 that tested a key component of the defense shield, the ability to discriminate between real incoming warheads and decoys. It didn't. She informed her boss and insisted that TRW inform the Pentagon. Well, we've all seen this scenario often enough to know what happened next. She was fired. Two months later, Schwartz sued TRW on behalf of the U.S. government under the False Claims Act, asserting that the defense contractor had knowingly defrauded the American people. Soooo, expect to hear more about the case of Dr. Nira Schwartz and the United States Government vs. TRW and Boeing, but don't expect to see it on the front page. Notice that Dr. Schwartz had to sue on *behalf* of the government, because it's pretty obvious that the government wouldn't. In the six years it has taken the case to work its way through a legal maze, on-going tests, including the $100 million debacle highlighted in the GAO report, have only confirmed Schwartz's findings. The Military Industrial Complex marches on. Let me put this in perspective. This is the Bradley Fighting Vehicle debacle, but with the entire civilian population sitting in the Bradley. This is not a new story. Dr. Schwartz and Dr. Theodore Postol won the 2001 Norbert Wiener Award ( http://www.cpsr.org/conferences/annmtg01/wiener.html ) for blowing their whistles. Dr. Schwartz was interviewed on "60 Minutes." But unless someone makes a movie with Dr. Schwartz as a nuclear Erin Brockovich with Dr. Postol portrayed by Russell Crowe, the story is way below the public's radar. By that time treaties will be scrapped, money will be spent and policy will be set in concrete. Anyway, the potential for nuclear weapons getting used some time in the near future got me thinking along Mythos lines. But then, almost all of the political news lately has a Mythos angle. The combination of technology, military and government would usually indicate an MJ-12 involvement, but I'd rather see them as pawns in a bigger game. This could be part of a larger Nyarlathotep\Azathoth program. This could be part of a Serpent People plan, since they aleady have subterranean facilities with all the Dr. Strangelove comforts. Maybe it's the Pentagon doing MJ-12's bidding under the control of shapeshifting Serpent People dancing to the tune of a Black Man With a Horn. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:33 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] MIT to make "nanotech" Army wear http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cn/20020314/tc_cn/mit_to_make __quot_nanotech_quot__army_wear&cid=70 "The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (news - web sites ) plans to create military uniforms that can block out biological weapons and even heal their wearers as part of a five-year contract to develop nanotechnology applications for soldiers, the U.S. Army announced Wednesday." Which doesn't sound too weird, but at the end of the article is: "Imagine the psychological impact upon a foe when encountering squads of seemingly invincible warriors protected by armor and endowed with superhuman capabilities, such as the ability to leap over 20-foot walls," ISN director Ned Thomas said in a release. Which just screams protomater. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] MIT to make "nanotech" Army wear On 14 March 2002, "Rayburn, Russell E." said: > > "Imagine the psychological impact upon a foe when encountering squads of >seemingly invincible warriors protected by armor and endowed with >superhuman >capabilities, such as the ability to leap over 20-foot walls," ISN director >Ned Thomas said in a release. > So the next generation of supersoldiers will be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound? They will be able to change the course of mighty rivers, and bend terrorists in their bare hands? This new technology has definite applications for the Mythos Warrior 21 Program, which already includes the Combat Exoskeleton, the OICW, the Solo Trek personal helicopter backpack, portable quantum computers, and sensors derived from the Land Warrior program! (See http://www.fas.org, in the "Land Warfare" section, for data on the OICW (Objective Infantry Combat Weapon) and the Land Warrior program...) Mythos Warrior 21 is not the same as the Mythos MechWarrior program, which makes use of giant battle robots constructed of Large-scale Experimentally Generated Objects (LEGO). For Truth, Justice, and the Delta Green Way! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Drew Martin [andrew.martin8@ntlworld.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:57 PM Cc: deltagreen Subject: [DG] re Vampires Any interested in COC vampires should go out and read Brain Lumley's Necroscope books,these are very influenced by Lovecraft,and the traditional East European myths. Drew --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Nukes R US ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > there are a few troubling aspects. > One is significantly lowering the threshold for going nuclear. Apparently > the bar has now been set at "in the event of surprising military > developments." Code for another major Arab attack on Israel, I would guess. Jewish lobby in the USA, arab Oil weapon, yada nada. We have been here before, but demography, oil shortage, "terrorism", everything is wound one turn tighter this time. > Another alarming aspect is the report's faith in missile defenses. It is > written as if missile defense systems are on the shelf and just waiting to > be deployed as soon as they get a budget. Politics and religion are close bretheren. In the calculus of human status, if you believe it, it is true. Why should this not apply to nuclear-tipped missiles? > Let me put this in perspective. This is the Bradley Fighting Vehicle > debacle, but with the entire civilian population sitting in the Bradley. I know, I know. > This could be part of a larger Nyarlathotep\Azathoth program. This could be > part of a Serpent People plan, since they aleady have subterranean > facilities with all the Dr. Strangelove comforts. Maybe it's the Pentagon > doing MJ-12's bidding under the control of shapeshifting Serpent People > dancing to the tune of a Black Man With a Horn. We should be so lucky. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:15 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] MIT to make "nanotech" Army wear Vice OICW, I'd like a pulse rifle firing 10mm armor piercing caseless with a 18mm pump action grenade launcher... but then, I'm sort of old school. When I read the article the first time, I kept replacing "nanotech" with "protomater". Thinking now of a full body suit complete with waste recycling, life support / medical capabilities and a neurological interface... so the suit can whisper directly into the wearers thoughts... Might be some fun in there. Either that, or it's what the monkeyman has been wearing... the field tests of the prototype where successful, so no MIT is used to launder the technology for 'everyday' use... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Layne [mailto:theherald@hotmail.com] This new technology has definite applications for the Mythos Warrior 21 Program, which already includes the Combat Exoskeleton, the OICW, the Solo Trek personal helicopter backpack, portable quantum computers, and sensors derived from the Land Warrior program! (See http://www.fas.org, in the "Land Warfare" section, for data on the OICW (Objective Infantry Combat Weapon) and the Land Warrior program...) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:43 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Nukes R US There was a classified Pentagon review of the US nuclear forces with recommendations for changing policy. It got leaked. Perhaps intentionally leaked? Seems like saber-rattling in the face of new threats... as in "drop an airplane on us again and we'll nuke you 'till you glow". May not make much sense as national security policy but plays well with the home team. Another alarming aspect is the report's faith in missile defenses. It is written as if missile defense systems are on the shelf and just waiting to be deployed as soon as they get a budget. When you consider that the belief in a working missile defense shield was a component in the administration's sacrificing the ABM Treaty, it would be nice if it actually worked. Missile defense is the largest pork^H^H^H err.. project to come down the pipe in a while. If you're going to spin some psyops, why not help your friends out as well? Let me put this in perspective. This is the Bradley Fighting Vehicle debacle, but with the entire civilian population sitting in the Bradley. What, you actually expect these projects to work? How long have you been in the beltway? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dominic Mooney [dom@cybergoths.u-net.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: 40K universe (was : Re: Intelligent design (was Re: [DG] out of context gaming)) On Wednesday, March 13, 2002, at 08:31 , Chris Womack wrote: > At one point we had an excellent FAQ, written by Davide Mana, but I don't > know if it's still being sent out to new subscribers. If it's not, it > should > be--and if it needs updating, somebody oughta get on that. It isn't being sent out (or at least wasn't about two months ago). Dom ---------dom@cybergoths.u-net.com---------- MacOS X 10.1 - Unix with Style "Reality, is something that you rise above.. We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Rich - Marillion - .com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of R W [moonduck@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 5:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Nukes R US >Code for another major Arab attack on Israel, I would guess. Speaking of Israel, has anyone heard from Yossi Gurvitz lately? Haven't seen him post in a while and was wondering about him... Prolly butchered the spelling of his name. -- -Roy, of No Particular Hobbies... "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl dominos." "In his house in R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits for the pizza man" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:06 PM To: Delta Green dg Subject: [DG] Terror Australis There is a copy second-hand at Amazon, quite cheap, if anyone is looking for one. ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Tel: +81-92-712-9120 Fax: +81-92-712-9220 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:58 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vampires There was also an interesting twist on the vampire legend in some early issues of Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing (the story arc that brought us John Constantine, in fact...). Vampires that Swampie supposedly killed by flooding a town with running water had adapted: those who were in their coffins when the flood came waited until the waters stopped moving, and then came out. They adapted to their aqautic environment, and were breeding some sort of... to tell the rest would be to spoil it. And what do you mean you never read these comics before!?!?!? J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE In addition, Todd - I did a little work on looking into the experiment when I was in Athens, just prior to our move to South Korea. The OU library can order you a book on the experiment from one of its branch partners. I can't remember the name of the book - it might actually be 'the philladelphia experiment.' But I found it to be pretty intriguing. So there's that avenue open to you as well! J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of H. Todd J. Moore [htoddjmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE Jim, you rock. But you know that. The main question for me of course is how it fit into the DG storyline. htjm --- ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* wrote: > In addition, Todd - I did a little work on looking > into the experiment when > I was in Athens, just prior to our move to South > Korea. > > The OU library can order you a book on the > experiment from one of its branch > partners. I can't remember the name of the book - it > might actually be 'the > philladelphia experiment.' But I found it to be > pretty intriguing. > > So there's that avenue open to you as well! > > J. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > ===== In Xanadu did Kubla Khan Gyre and gimble in the wabe Where Alphe the Sacred River Ran Through caverns measureless to man, And the mome raths outgrabe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE >From: "H. Todd J. Moore" The main question >for me of course is how it fit into the DG storyline. Yeah, and since I don't have that book (or the others... grumble grumble...) I can't answer that, other than to state that - at least so far as I can tell - Tillinghast's researches were used as part of the to create the Experiment. That alone is nothing less than brilliant, and I'm sure there's even more gooey surprises within. Of course, if the info isn't forthcoming, it's your game - you CAN make stuff up! ; ) ((Not nearly as satisfying as riffing from the 'real' or the published, I know, but even us accuracy junkies must sometimes just shrug and give in)) J. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of H. Todd J. Moore [htoddjmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE My basic contribution was a second experiment on the west coast, with a ship that translocates and finds itself north of the aleutians... early in '44. and the wacky zany fun-lovin' antics that follow ;) Todd > > The main question > >for me of course is how it fit into the DG > storyline. > > Yeah, and since I don't have that book (or the > others... grumble grumble...) > I can't answer that, other than to state that - at > least so far as I can > tell - Tillinghast's researches were used as part of > the to create the > Experiment. That alone is nothing less than > brilliant, and I'm sure there's > even more gooey surprises within. > > Of course, if the info isn't forthcoming, it's your > game - you CAN make > stuff up! ; ) ((Not nearly as satisfying as riffing > from the 'real' or the > published, I know, but even us accuracy junkies must > sometimes just shrug > and give in)) > > J. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > ===== In Xanadu did Kubla Khan Gyre and gimble in the wabe Where Alphe the Sacred River Ran Through caverns measureless to man, And the mome raths outgrabe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pandora's Box TIMELINE >My basic contribution was a second experiment on the >west coast, with a ship that translocates and finds >itself north of the aleutians... early in '44. and the >wacky zany fun-lovin' antics that follow ;) Ships going out to sea and disappearing, only to re-appear later, minus the crew, are utterly fascinating to me. The USS Cyclops sticks out in my mind - I think I've used Her before. Maybe the Tillinghast generator's effects aren't just localized. Maybe they actually weaken the barrier between dimensions on a wide-spread scale - small doors, open but briefly, but with horrifying and confusing results. Ships slide into strange new worlds and terrible things come back in their place. And what would happen if you opened up a door atop a ley-line crossing....? Damn. I think I think I think too much. J. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Nukes R US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rayburn, Russell E." > There was a classified Pentagon review of the US nuclear forces with > recommendations for changing policy. It got leaked. > > > Perhaps intentionally leaked? Seems like saber-rattling in the face of new > threats... as in "drop an airplane on us again and we'll nuke you 'till you > glow". May not make much sense as national security policy but plays well > with the home team. That is always a possibility. I think we need a new terminology to qualify leaks from "intentionally leaked to effect policy with plausible deniability," which has become a standard tool in politics and diplomacy. Squirts? > What, you actually expect these projects to work? How long have you been in > the beltway? Not really, no. The defense infrastructure doesn't seem to have much to do with defense anymore, if you consider weapons and vehicles that work to be part of defense. But that's been true since patriotic defense contractors issued cardboard boots to cavalry (hey, they're on *horses*, so they aren't marching anywhere.) and preserved meat with embalming fluid. Anyhow, I really didn't want to go into the many crimes and abuses of the Military Industrial Complex. I think the developments should be worked into the DGverse post-2000. If nothing else, it should be easier to convince the Pentagon to nuke Cthulhu if you can get them to believe he's the leader of the R'lyeh Liberation Front. ;-) Nuclear weapons are back on the board. Now, since Azathoth seems to have the attitude that the more nukes the merrier, and Nyarlathotep is usually about the business of making things swell for Azathoth, this could easily be a route along the road to the Endtimes. But let's have them take a step back while we acknowledge that everything is within 6 degrees of Nyarly and Azathoth. The combination of technology and policy, as well as nuclear war as a standard theme in OUTLOOK Stress Reaction Tests, would seem to indicate MJ-12 as the manipulators behind the headlines. But you know? I think they have been around long enough and have become such an integral part of the status quo that it is time for MJ-12 to become puppets of other agendas. If you consider the David Icke conspiracy books and website to be disinformation, you can make a good case for Serpent People. They have been around longer than us and have had more interaction with us than just about any other Mythos faction. Some of them can pass for human. Bottom line, we and they are in competition for the same real estate, and they really need to trim back our numbers to make a level playing field. I think back to some of the musings about the vast Satanic conspiracy in the US. Law enforcement is reluctant to investigate because they have never found any evidence, and they've been burned a few times. Besides, the stories are ludicrous. Ah, but you see, they intentionally do things that sound ludicrous so that the children will not be believed. And many in law enforcement are part of the conspiracy and only investigate the bogus cases and publicize the lack of evidence so the entire subject is considered to be ridiculous. Now, look at the David Icke babblings again. A cabal of savvy reptiles could get a lot done while everyone is laughing at the stories about George Bush shapeshifting and the Windsors conspiring to marry Princess Di to Bill Clinton. Hassan i Sabah has nothing on Serpents. More subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made, baby. One thing that I've been musing on lately was part of Operation Northwoods, the 60s Joint Chiefs of Staff plan to maneuver the US into a shooting war with Cuba. In addition to actively attacking targets to provoke a response, they had plans to take advantage of any big public disaster that might occur to push their agenda. They had a backup plan to accuse the Cubans of sabotage if John Glenn's rocket happened to explode. Just in case. Why let a perfectly good disaster go to waste? The Shan might approve and be manipulating diplomatic channels to keep things hinky. Many people credit Maggie Thatcher with nudging George Bush into a shooting war in the Gulf. That "wimp" thing. Imminent nuclear war would help the Shan with their agenda. Nothing like the threat of nuclear winter to get funds for sending some eggs off of the one planetary basket. Mark McFadden Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Attack of the FAQ! From: "Chris Womack" > At one point we had an excellent FAQ, written by Davide Mana, but I don't > know if it's still being sent out to new subscribers. If it's not, it should > be--and if it needs updating, somebody oughta get on that. It's not. And we need a set of guidelines. No, this is not one of those "Oh, the DGML is falling into barbarism!" posts--I think it's doing OK, considering its age--but I really do think we could benefit from reviving the FAQ from whatever death-like sleep it's currently experiencing--and it should not only go out to all new subscribers, but to the whole list every, oh, couple of months or so, and regularly updated. I think, also, that it should probably be trimmed mercilessly so it'll be short enough that those with short attention spans (that is, the ones who most need it) will be more likely to read it. Sections to include: * The local posting rules (no HTML unless you're on AOL and have no choice, no attachments, trim yer quotes, no violating copyrights, etc, and a link to a good, general online Netiquette site) * Required reading--stuff you should spend a reasonable amount of time skimming before your first post here, so you don't feel dumb when everyone groans "Not that again!" (links to the main DG site, the Ice Cave, and the Pagan and Chaosium online stores, so you can order the CoC and DG books if you haven't read them yet) * Suggested reading--stuff that'll clue you into the background culture of the list so you'll get comfortable faster and understand a lot of references we keep throwing out (links to cool sites by listmembers and others, like Domain Science Letters, EndTimes, DGWW2, Tynes' and Detwiller's online fiction, direct links to certain parts of the main DG site, like "Callahan's Endtimes Saloon", etc) * An admonition to treat each other with respect--but not kid gloves. (Personally, I *like* the occasional bouts of prickliness here. "Respect" includes assuming the other guy isn't a wimp who's going to get his feelings all hurt just because you don't treat him like delicate china--and not demanding that you be treated like delicate china, too.) Anything else? We ought to try to keep it to the equivalent of a single page, if at all possible. I put the Archives into "Suggested reading" because this list is what, 5 years old? (And often high-volume--I remember periods when less than 100 posts a day was a slow day.) Let's face it, nobody can be expected to spend the next few months reading the raw Archives, scrolling through page after page, before they start posting. Even though Davide hasn't had time of late to regularly update the Ice Cave (*not* a criticism--I know why he doesn't have the time), I'd say that 90% of the really important posts are in there, and people can just skim the sections and read the stuff that catches their interest. For more recent stuff, we have the threaded Archives at the DGML Backup. Whoever writes it, I think it ought to be "signed" by the Listowner, Shane Ivey--and of course he should have final approval of the FAQ, and feel free to change it whenever necessary. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Isaac Betty [ijbetty@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Dr. Chaos Brought to Heel I'm a few days behind, but it looks like nobody else has pointed this one out: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-chaos12.html Chicago police have raided Dr. Chaos' (AKA Joseph Daniel Konopka, 25, of Wisconsin) subterranean lair, finding more than a pound of "potentially lethal cyanide," ending his spree of malicious mischief. Well, maybe this is just a little silly, but still -there does seem to have been, basically, zero security down in the depths of the CTA, with those wacky kids toting cyanide around down there and changing the locks for kicks and grins. The AP article in my local paper was much better. It used the phrase "five county rampage of vandalism." there's a little more information in this update: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-cta13.html This truly is a beautiful world we live in. The combined law enforcement agencies of the civilized world are directing their combined efforts at hunting down a sinister foreign millionaire and his private army in their secret mountain fortress, and now the cops have discovered Dr. Chaos' subway hideout. When did the real world and the G.I. Joe cartoon weld together? Was it a slow, gradual process, or did it happen all at once? "He's a geek," Chicago Police Supt. Terry Hillard said after a news conference Monday, adding that Konopka never indicated he intended to harm anyone. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vampires From: "Julian Breen" > Hollywood 'traditional' of course. :) Many folklore tales don't ascribe > such abilities to the undead. You're right, of course--but, for modern Westerners, "Hollywood traditional" *is* traditional, now. As you pointed out, with the Eastern European and Burmese vampires, the vamps of old folklore are often weirder, more interesting, and even more "original" to modern audiences than the "Blah, I vant to suck your blood!" types descended from Stoker's novel. From: "The Nuge" >>> I don't know - The idea of Gay Vampire romance has a certian charm to it - not to get crude, but its usually Mysterious Women or Gothic counts, and the notion of a couple of gay head-banger Goths (rather than Gothic) is a wee pun on WW - yes, they dress stylishly and are mysteriously sensual and sensitive - but they're gay. Whoops, sorry girls, if you want sensitive, you have to accept being a FagHag too.<<< :-) Yeah, but it's already been done to (un)death by Anne Rice and a whole lotta players of Vampire: the Masquarade. (And no, I'm not saying that people who play V:tM are gay--I'm saying that according to a couple of gay acquaintances, a lot of gay gamers play V:tM.. Perhaps I was misinformed, but considering the sexual ambiguity of vampirism, I can understand the attraction.) But I didn't complain about the gay-couple aspect of the scenario, because that was fine by me...after running a (for a time) excellent Vampire/Werewolf/Mage campaign for 2 years, I tend to think of vamps as sort of default-bisexual anyway. Having a sexual preference is a non-survival trait, after all; it cuts the amount of potential nourishment in half. What's annoying is not that the characters are gay, but that the writer seemed to be playing it up for all the sappy romantic value he could, while at the same time using it as a "test" of the players' humanity. Like, "let's see if the players will be knuckle-dragging homophobes and kill the vamps because they're gay." Grr. And what do vampires have to do with Ramsey Campbell's Goatswood stories anyway? >>> Plus, the vamps are adequatly shit enough to work in CoC.<<< My friend, I'm afraid your quaint Irish dialect has left this Texan in a state of mystification. In other words, "huh?" Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Thoth Amon [stygiandarkness@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vampires And so it was written: >And then there's those vamps in the new Goatswood supplement...oy. SNIP >[warning, rant ahead] Oh goody :) >Now, I usually have little patience when people say that "Lovecraft SNIP >more. Made them more alien. Less romantic. Maybe add a touch of I'm nodding in agreement. The humanist approach to vampires, as exemplified by Shite Wolf, is pathetic. Why that same approach ended up in an CoC supplement is a real mystery. >science-fiction--like actually having a *reason* for being able to do such SNIP >life, the whole point of his take on the weird tale was to break with >tradition. Exactly. Why use all the traditional trappings when there are much better opportunities? Failure of imagination? TBH the Goatswood supplement was mostly written about 10 years ago. The authors responded to recent criticisms on the SA list by outlining the fact that their original scenarios predated the output of Shite Wolf by some time. >I think he would have ended up with something more like the KULT vampires, >who are not necessarily good or evil, but eventually lose their humanity >completely. And they're very weird (telescoping, needle-tipped tongues, for >example)--certainly not sexy Anne Rice vampires. Of course, this would make To paraphrase the MiB, now I smell what you are cooking. I too like to think that HPL would have come up with something juicier for Mythos vampires. Kult contains great ideas on a fair range of weirdness. The vampiric killer in 'The Wild Hunt' (from 'Unseen Masters') fits the traditional European vampire role very well despite being totally alien. In campaign I've drawn on Lumley's first 3 Necroscope books for vampire inspiration. His vampires have no redeeming features whatsoever and very little humanity about them at all. They also have a very Mythos-esque backstory. However, Lumley-style vamps are just a tad overpowered for a conventional DG cell. Nothing less than napalm or a flamethrower would stop one of them, and a full DG cell with backup (even armed with assault rifles and grenades) would be likely suffer 100% fatalities. There has been previous discussion on the list about MJ12 working to eliminate DG cells from within. Once possible alternative scenario might involve a DG cell being wiped out by vampire, who then raises the victims to serve as thralls. If the vampire then sends out his new thralls to discover more about DG, you'd have a nice mix of conspiracy and horror gaming... for a short space of time. The idea of 'turned' DG agents does have a certain attraction :) Cheers. Peter. "Can't seem to face up to the facts I'm tense and nervous, can't relax" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Thoth Amon [stygiandarkness@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss I had an interesting game session last night ;) *** possible gunfondler alert *** As the standard CoC system lacks rules for handling modern weaponry such as tasers, would anyone care to comment on the likely effect of a taser on Mythos critters? Specifically it would be nice to see 'list wisdom' on the probable effect upon a Hound of Tindalos? Cheers. Peter. "Can't seem to face up to the facts I'm tense and nervous, can't relax _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Max Cairnduff [max_cairnduff@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss My betting is it would kind of piss it off... Hounds are immune to non-magical weapons, the barbs would't stay put as it flickered in and out of our reality. Personally though, I would be tempted to describe the Hound as appearing to enjoy the stimulation and gaining somewhat in strength. It's cruel, but it is a Hound of Tindalos, you don't get much tougher. --- Thoth Amon wrote: > > I had an interesting game session last night ;) > > *** possible gunfondler alert *** > > As the standard CoC system lacks rules for handling > modern weaponry such as > tasers, would anyone care to comment on the likely > effect of a taser on > Mythos critters? Specifically it would be nice to > see 'list wisdom' on the > probable effect upon a Hound of Tindalos? > > Cheers. > > Peter. > > "Can't seem to face up to the facts > I'm tense and nervous, can't relax > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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