From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Cairnduff" > Personally though, I would be tempted to describe the > Hound as appearing to enjoy the stimulation and > gaining somewhat in strength. Electric shocks might actually have some effect on creatures from "nearby" Domains, where electromagnetc forces have some effect. But not on Hounds, I think. I'd go for "no effect at all". If a taser tickles it, a million volts should kill it. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:39 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Yahoo! Groups Dave Farnell wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: > Anyway, if you want to join the Backup, just go to Yahoo Groups and search > for "DGML Backup." You have to wait for approval (a safety measure to keep > some joker from signing up the DGML as a member and causing an infinite > recursion, crashing the list), but it's usually no more than a day before I > or one of the other moderators get around to it. In case of another list failure I can provide hosting on Mailman software running on a semiprivate non-profit server with good connectivity. The software supports both email and www interface, provides nice subscription management and good archive features. Just let me know (e-mail to this address). Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | Płynąć chcę na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem każde zło | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazań brak dziesięciu, a pić można aż po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jürgen Hubert [jhubert@gmx.de] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] cultists: what makes them tick? > Jonathan E Hillman wrote: > > >hmm, you don't see quite as many insane people in the orthodox religions > as > >you do in mythos cults. > > Well, while it might be argued to the contrary by those that truly despise > > it, last time I checked reading the Bible didn't cause SAN loss. The > required reading material for the average Mythos Cult comes with a free > sample of delusional psychosis. But what is "required reading material" for the average Mythos cult? Not much, I'd say. And incidentally, the Christian church did quite well throughout the Middle Ages - when most of its members had never read the Bible. Hey, most parishes didn't even _have_ a Bible - those were expensive! And Mythos tomes that are anywhere near as sanity-wrecking as the Al Azif are exceedingly rare. In fact, modern Mythos cults will probably write their _own_ "Mythos tomes" - the leader gets some inspiration (older, hard-to-translate tomes, weird dreams, and so on) and writes his very own New Age Manual based on this. It will sound all very fluffy and uplifting (apart from a few passages that might be disturbing), and specially tailored for people who don't know what to do with their lives. It will be advertised on cable TV, all major credit cards accepted. The real implications of the book will only be apparent to those who have already a few percentages in the Cthulhu Mythos skill... The leader will get followers, few of which will have any idea of the "big picture" - they just go to the meetings to get some meaning into their lives (and if male, meet chicks). Nothing too different from any "support group", really. The leader will be on the lookout for those he deems ready to initiate into the "Deeper Mysteries". And _that's_ when the rapid SAN loss starts. > Mythos cults are just naturally predisposed towards wrecking the grasp on > reality what is tenuously held by its' members. In any cult - Mythos or otherwise - only a few people know what is _really_ going on in it. And it is not that different from real world religions, really - how many Catholics know about all the political going-ons in the Vatican, for example? - Jürgen Hubert -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:57 AM To: DGML Subject: Re: [DG] Attack of the FAQ! Hey-- on 3/15/02 3:35 AM, Dave Farnell at superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp wrote: > From: "Chris Womack" >> At one point we had an excellent FAQ, written by Davide Mana, but I don't >> know if it's still being sent out to new subscribers. If it's not, it >> should be--and if it needs updating, somebody oughta get on that. > > It's not. And we need a set of guidelines. Thanks for volunteering, Dave-san. Knew we could count on you. ;) [list of brilliant suggestions for a new and/or improved FAQ snipped] > I put the Archives into "Suggested reading" because this list is what, 5 > years old? (And often high-volume--I remember periods when less than 100 > posts a day was a slow day.) Let's face it, nobody can be expected to spend > the next few months reading the raw Archives[...] No, but mention should be made that the search engine at the official DG site now has the power to sift through the old list digests, so for those curious about a particular topic the Archives no longer need be a source of SAN-loss-inducing terror. (Oh, and not that it matters, but the DGML is actually approaching its *4th* anniversary, on April mumble-mumbleth.) Anyway, that should be enough to be getting on with--I expect to see a final draft of the new FAQ on the Chief's desk by the end of the month, Farnell. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:56 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] cultists: what makes them tick? [J_rgen] Hubert wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: > In fact, modern Mythos cults will probably write their > _own_ "Mythos tomes" - the leader gets some inspiration (older, > hard-to-translate tomes, weird dreams, and so on) and writes his very own New Age Manual > based on this. It will sound all very fluffy and uplifting (apart from a few > passages that might be disturbing), and specially tailored for people who don't > know what to do with their lives. It will be advertised on cable TV, all > major credit cards accepted. The real implications of the book will only be > apparent to those who have already a few percentages in the Cthulhu Mythos > skill... I did this in one of my campaings (actually the first CoC I Keeped). The whole plot started when one man bought a random New Age book to have something to read on airplane. After this he used one of the neopagan rituals in the book for fun and they summoned Something. This unspecified Outer being turned two people into vapires and the plot turned around containment of the situation. Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | Płynąć chcę na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem każde zło | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazań brak dziesięciu, a pić można aż po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of R W [moonduck@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss >*** possible gunfondler alert *** > >As the standard CoC system lacks rules for handling modern weaponry such as >tasers, would anyone care to comment on the likely effect of a taser on >Mythos critters? Specifically it would be nice to see 'list wisdom' on the >probable effect upon a Hound of Tindalos? Hound: Ooooh, tingly. *Pounce* *Rend* Seriously though, tasers don't have *that* much effect on humans, so why would they have any effect on Things Which Should Not Be Damaged like Hounds et al? It might make a DO itchy, but for the really interdimensional twits, I'd say they'd enjoy or ignore depending on their bent. -Roy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jürgen Hubert [jhubert@gmx.de] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] cultists: what makes them tick? > [J_rgen] Hubert wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: > > In fact, modern Mythos cults will probably write their > > _own_ "Mythos tomes" - the leader gets some inspiration (older, > > hard-to-translate tomes, weird dreams, and so on) and writes his very > own New Age Manual > > based on this. It will sound all very fluffy and uplifting (apart from a > few > > passages that might be disturbing), and specially tailored for people > who don't > > know what to do with their lives. It will be advertised on cable TV, all > > major credit cards accepted. The real implications of the book will only > be > > apparent to those who have already a few percentages in the Cthulhu > Mythos > > skill... > > I did this in one of my campaings (actually the first CoC I Keeped). The > whole plot started when one man bought a random New Age book to have > something to read on airplane. After this he used one of the neopagan > rituals in the book for fun and they summoned Something. This unspecified > Outer being turned two people into vapires and the plot turned around > containment of the situation. Fun scenario, but this probably doesn't happen often. When modern Mythos Cult Leaders write books intended for publication, they want to get money and followers out of it. Neither of this is going to happen if people who read the book can simply summon Mythos entities with it and lay waste to their surroundings. The books that _are_ capable of doing this are probably small press books (_real_ small, with very limited editions). Nobody else would publish the scribblings of some crank - publishing houses want to sell the books, after all, and Mythos formulae look too arcane to be good sellers... - Jürgen Hubert -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of R W [moonduck@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:22 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] cultists: what makes them tick? >But what is "required reading material" for the average Mythos cult? There go those filters turned up. "Require reading material" was another example of the normative tone for many of my posts, ie wry sardonicism. Maybe it sarcasm, no, tongue-in-cheek, no... >Not much, I'd say. And incidentally, the Christian church did quite well >throughout the Middle Ages - when most of its members had never read the >Bible. Hey, most parishes didn't even _have_ a Bible - those were >expensive! Uh, sure, in the Middle Ages. Today we have Print On Demand. Not only can your cult leader create a book quickly, he can have Amazon trying to ram it down our throats worldwide within minutes. >And Mythos tomes that are anywhere near as sanity-wrecking as the Al Azif >are exceedingly rare. In fact, modern Mythos cults will probably write >their _own_ "Mythos tomes" - the leader gets some inspiration (older, >hard-to-translate tomes, weird dreams, and so on) and writes his very own >New Age Manual based on this. It will sound all very fluffy and uplifting >(apart from a few passages that might be disturbing), and specially >tailored for people who don't know what to do with their lives. It will be >advertised on cable TV, all major credit cards accepted. The real >implications of the book will only be >apparent to those who have already a few percentages in the Cthulhu Mythos >skill... Again, we differ here, but only by degrees. The SAN damage I am referring to is not the mighty d20/Brain-Pan-Explodes-If-You-Fail-This-SAN-Check books. I am talking about the tame kind of stuff that still causes SAN checks. I'm not saying that the "Psalms of John of the Secret Tentacled Dangly Bits" will be the sole cause of your brain leaking out your ears, but it helps. It adds to the total package of the cult, that's all. >The leader will get followers, few of which will have any idea of the "big >picture" - they just go to the meetings to get some meaning into their >lives (and if male, meet chicks). Nothing too different from any "support >group", really. The leader will be on the lookout for those he deems ready >to initiate into the "Deeper Mysteries". > >And _that's_ when the rapid SAN loss starts. As I said, we differ, but only by degrees, or perhaps just in semantics. > > Mythos cults are just naturally predisposed towards wrecking the grasp >on reality what is tenuously held by its' members. > >In any cult - Mythos or otherwise - only a few people know what is _really_ >going on in it. Erm, sure. I would reiterate that I'd already covered the whole idea of initiation into deeper mysteries in a previous post, but I've already beaten that whole "differing by degrees" idea so much that it's beginning to develope a Stockholm Syndrome towards me. >And it is not that different from real world religions, really - how many >Catholics know about all the political going-ons in the Vatican, for >example? *shrug* Who cares? They're the world's first Mega-corp, not a religion =) -Roy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Carpe Noctem Good Afternoon. I found a nice little site that offers the basic information for conspiracy theorists. No huge chunks of deep background, but neatly made and enjoyable. http://www.carpenoctem.tv/index.htm eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:21 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] cultists: what makes them tick? [J_rgen] Hubert wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: > > I did this in one of my campaings (actually the first CoC I Keeped). The > > whole plot started when one man bought a random New Age book to have > > something to read on airplane. After this he used one of the neopagan > > rituals in the book for fun and they summoned Something. This unspecified > > Outer being turned two people into vapires and the plot turned around > > containment of the situation. > > Fun scenario, but this probably doesn't happen often. When modern Mythos > Cult Leaders write books intended for publication, they want to get money and > followers out of it. Neither of this is going to happen if people who read the > book can simply summon Mythos entities with it and lay waste to their > surroundings. > > The books that _are_ capable of doing this are probably small press books > (_real_ small, with very limited editions). Nobody else would publish the > scribblings of some crank - publishing houses want to sell the books, after all, > and Mythos formulae look too arcane to be good sellers... I supposed that the book contains at least some useful info because it is meat to work and to attract new followers by showing them that the stuff WORKS. Due to a plot twist (they were intoxicated during the ritual), the summoning summoned not the original, intended, pretty harmless summonee, but something bigger and more dangerous, and the rest was rhino. Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | Płynąć chcę na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem każde zło | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazań brak dziesięciu, a pić można aż po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] made my day (wasn´t really Carpe Noctem) http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp festus __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Russell [c-jeffru@amazon.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:45 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss Agree with the others in the thinking that a taser would be about as much use against a Hound as a Hello Kitty doll. A taser would probably only affect creatures that could be affected by normal weapons AND had no natural armor. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:02 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss Agreed... even assuming they're affected at all by electricity the barbs wouldn't stick. Might be better off throwing a fistful of marbles. Jeff's comment made me think of protomater... it is affected by electricity, but only takes minimal damage from impaling weapons (IIRC). Would the barbs stick in that? -Rus Who's just glad to see a minor gunfondling thread -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Russell [mailto:c-jeffru@amazon.com] Agree with the others in the thinking that a taser would be about as much use against a Hound as a Hello Kitty doll. A taser would probably only affect creatures that could be affected by normal weapons AND had no natural armor. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ACM [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:16 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: [DG] made my day (wasn´t really Carpe Noctem) Ha ha ha! Oh, my aching sides, oh, "Because Non-Traitors have Nothing to hide", "Vegetarians are traitors to the American way of life", "Fox News is fair, balanced, and profoundly watchable". Maybe the last one is only funny because of the following: I was sitting in a waiting room for a military physical, and CNN Headline News was on. A female about my age (~20) got up and complained. The channel was then switched to Fox News. That was on for a while, and then a story came up about the Ten Commandments in schools. She then made the remark (sitting behind me) "The U.S. was founded on good Christian morals, and anyone saying otherwise is a traitor and needs shot." ACM From: "Dirk R. Festus Festerling" http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp > festus _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Russell [c-jeffru@amazon.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss I see the reason behind protomatter taking minimal damge from impaling weapons as being along the lines of trying to damage a body of water by shotting bullets into it. The damage is minimal because all the weapon does is displace the material which promptly fills itself back in. A taser should work well if used against protomatter but only if fired in such a way as to insure the darts are actually in the proto when the charge is delivered. There is nothing for the darts to hook into securely so it would be very easy for the darts to shoot right through the target or to be pulled free. >>Subject: RE: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss Agreed... even assuming they're affected at all by electricity the barbs wouldn't stick. Might be better off throwing a fistful of marbles. Jeff's comment made me think of protomater... it is affected by electricity, but only takes minimal damage from impaling weapons (IIRC). Would the barbs stick in that? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eric Eves [eeves@erskine.edu] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss Jeff Russell wrote: > > Agree with the others in the thinking that a taser would be about as much > use against a Hound as a Hello Kitty doll. That effective? Don't you know that Hello Kitty is one of the less well-known avatars of Nyarlathotep*, and any lesser mythos critter that knows what's good for it will reevaluate the situation if one is shown, so as to not eat cultists of the Toe Tapper and thus anger him/her/it/them? -Eric *This fact is demonstrated by the SAN losses from discovering the existence of the Hello Kitty tarot deck and the Hello Kitty vibrator. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of R W [moonduck@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss >Don't you know that Hello Kitty is one of the less well-known avatars of >Nyarlathotep*, and any lesser mythos critter that knows what's good for it >will reevaluate the situation if one is shown, so as to not eat >cultists of the Toe Tapper and thus anger him/her/it/them? http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~kimuchi/cthulhu.html Hello Cthulhu, far cooler =) >*This fact is demonstrated by the SAN losses from discovering the >existence of the Hello Kitty tarot deck and the Hello Kitty vibrator. Hello Kitty Vibrator? Hello Kitty?!? *Fails SAN Check* *Experiences a temporary phobia of anything that buzzes* -Roy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Dr. Chaos Brought to Heel The real DG application here is: Green Boxes! "Faced with an embarrassing and potentially dangerous security breach in Chicago's subways, Mayor Daley on Tuesday ordered the CTA to inspect the system and brick over unused storage rooms, like the one a 25-year-old Wisconsin man allegedly used to store cyanide." Friendlies might report some rooms "bricked over" when in fact they've just got new locks installed. Furthermore, it seems to me that almost any largish city has "forgotten" rooms, tunnels, etc. in it. Here in NYC the WTC reconstruction effort has been hampered by the fact that no one has a complete map of the substreet structures downtown. It seems that some of the agencies in charge of some of the pipes and so on have been eliminated or folded into others, and the relevant maps have been consigned to archives, if not lost entirely. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss > >Seriously though, tasers don't have *that* much effect on humans Do they not? Personal anecdote time: A group of friends are out talking by the barbeque one Califonia afternoon, and one of them shows off her new taser (contact model rather than the shooty one). One of the assembled, something of a blow-hard, indicates that the weapon is relatively useless, since thick denim can protect the potential target. This he procedes to demonstrate on his own leg. Many of us express interest and wonder, which encourages him to further prod himself with the taser -- and he eventually strikes one of the electrodes precisely on the copper rivet at the hip pocket seam of his Levi's. The guy keels over convulsing, and - how shall I put this delicately? - he voids bladder and bowels. Now, soiled linen is nothing unusual in CoC, I daresay, but it's pretty unpleasant, and made for a great deal of hilarity at the time. BTW, Tasers, Mace, et. al. are covered in _Cthulhu Now_. Jeff _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Russell [c-jeffru@amazon.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss Yep, a solid electrical jolt causes all of your muscles to contract. This can be very messy and a very amusing thing to do to a player. -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Ewing Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss The guy keels over convulsing, and - how shall I put this delicately? - he voids bladder and bowels. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss Greetings. This is for the sadists out there.... >further prod himself with the taser -- and he eventually strikes one of the >electrodes precisely on the copper rivet at the hip pocket seam of his Levi's. > The guy keels over convulsing, and - how shall I put this delicately? - he >voids bladder and bowels. Contact tasers are just made for characters wearing body piercings. But then, even a Bakelite rod stroked with some wool cloth can bring to convulsion someone if you touch it to its eyebrow piercing. But as we are at it - what about those handy electroprods they use on cattle and animals in the zoo? What about those under the "non-lethal use of weapons" label? From past gaming experience, work great on vampires (and cultists). Cheers! Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Dr. Chaos Brought to Heel > ...no one has a complete > map of the substreet > structures downtown. It seems that some of the agencies in > charge of some of > the pipes and so on have been eliminated or folded into others, > and the relevant > maps have been consigned to archives, if not lost entirely. The best part about this: it's NOT a quote from DGEO2: THE FATE. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Attack of the FAQ! > Whoever writes it, I think it ought to be "signed" by the Listowner, Shane > Ivey--and of course he should have final approval of the FAQ, and > feel free > to change it whenever necessary. If you have one, send it and we can put it on the DGML page at delta-green.com, too. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:57 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss http://www.jnlwd.usmc.mil/ has some interesting reading on 'Non Lethal Weapons', for those who care. Non lethal weapon is really a misnomer... should be 'Less than lethal'. IIRC, there were some problems with bean-bag rounds from 12 ga. shotguns.. the original design had a seam which, if it hit the target just so, could turn it back into a 'regular' projectile. One OSU student was blinded wooden 'knee knocker' round and recently won a rather large settlement from the City of Columbus... which shows that even properly designed LLW can be used for other purposes. The impact based LLW have the usual projectile / impaling problems when confronting mythos critters, but OC/CS gas should be relatively effective for anything that needs to breathe. -Rus Thinking he'd rather have a flame thrower... -----Original Message----- From: Davide Mana [mailto:michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] What about those under the "non-lethal use of weapons" label? From past gaming experience, work great on vampires (and cultists). _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vampires >after running a (for a time) >excellent Vampire/Werewolf/Mage campaign for 2 years, I tend to think of >vamps as sort of default-bisexual anyway. What I find annoying is that vamps should be anything but hemo-sexuals at all. To my mind, sex would be subsumed to feeding -- all the thrill, longing, risk, etc, that we associate with sex would, for the vampire, come from the feed. This effect would probably increase with age, as the vampire forgets his/her human life and adapts to their new existence. Of course, it is initially harder to get your mind around sex=feeding than sex=sex, so naturally that's what enters the popular mind. But maybe I'm just peevish about the direction BtVS has been taking lately. Jeff _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss On 15 March 2002, Glove Cleaner "Andy Robertson" said, re the use of Tasers on the Hounds of Tindalos: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Max Cairnduff" > > Personally though, I would be tempted to describe the > > Hound as appearing to enjoy the stimulation and > > gaining somewhat in strength. > >Electric shocks might actually have some effect on creatures from "nearby" >Domains, where electromagnetc forces have some effect. But not on >Hounds, I think. I'd go for "no effect at all". If a taser tickles >it, >a million volts should kill it. This very theory helped lead to the development of the MonsterZapper (tm) Combat Taser from ZapM Corporation (a subsidiary of Acme). Many of you have probably seen the ads in Soldier of Mythos Magazine, and even the new commercial, in which The Man in Black uses a MonsterZapper (tm) to shoot down a Hunting Horror! ZapM has managed to resolve the "dart retention" problem, while the Hound flickers in and out of reality, by having the points magically enchanted by a Wizard under contract to the company. (Hazard pay, and psychiatric costs, for the Wizard are part of the high overhead cost that is unfortunately passed on to the buyer...) Optionally (and at extra cost), the points can be blessed by a Priest(ess) of your choice, of a deiety ranging from Aforgomon to Zork! (See the ZapM website http:ZapM.com, for details...) The points themselves are of silver, over a ceramic room-temperature superconductor substrate, and, for best results, should be re-silvered after each use, as the resistance heating, together with the constituents of some Mythos creatures' circulatory fluids, tends to remove the silvering. It is recommended that the user, should he or she anticipate several engagements with Mythos creatures before the points can be re-silvered, carry one or more spare sets of darts. (The darts are available separately.) To deal with the enormous current discharge, the wires are of a modern high-tech room-temperature superconductor, similar to (but considerably more flexible than) the material in the dart points. With 15m (50 feet) of wire, the standard wire set is generally sufficient for taking on many Mythos creatures, though, for longer range, the Long Range Wire Reel (30m/100 ft) is available as an option. (It does require the optional Boosted Dart Launch System.) ZapM was unable to find a battery which would support the high discharge rates, at high voltage and amperage, necessary to neutralize the robust nervous systems of Mythos entities. However, recent breakthroughs by Franks & Channing, at Venus Equilateral, have led to the production of a 3-gigaFarad capacitor capable of virtually instantaneous discharge. It should be noted that the capacitor, though effective, is capable of only one discharge before requiring a time-consuming recharging. Thus, as with the darts, Mythos Warriors expecting to engage more than one target should prepare by procuring additional capacitors. As many situations involving Mythos creatures take place at night, or in other conditions of reduced visibility, the MonsterZapper (tm) includes a laser sight as standard, with a variety of third-generation night-vision sights (all with automatic filters to protect the eyes during taser discharge) as options. While there are no confirmed reports, thus far, of the MonsterZapper (tm) being used in action vs. Hounds of Tindalos, it has successfully neutralized Deep Ones, Byhakee, Shantaks, Hunting Horrors, Men of Leng, and a Dark Young. (A picture of the Dark Young getting zapped appears in one of the ZapM ads in Soldier of Mythos Magazine; cryptozoologists have thus far been unable to account for the words "EAT AT JOE'S" which appeared in the electrical nimbus surrounding the hapless creature...) A few problems have been reported with the capacitors on the initial batch of MonsterZappers (tm), but the current version of the capacitor almost never explodes during normal use. Optional laminated Spectra/graphite composite component armor is available to help prevent a repeat of an incident, in February of this year, in which three Friendlies were atomized when a cultist's rifle shot ruptured the capacitor of a MonsterZapper (tm) one of the team was carrying. ZapM cautions that the MonsterZapper (tm) is probably not extremely effective against major entities such as Azathoth and Cthulhu, and use of it against such creatures will void the warranty! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss On 15 March 2002, "Michael Layne" said: >Optionally (and at extra cost), the >points can be blessed by a Priest(ess) of your choice, of a deiety ranging >from Aforgomon to Zork! (See the ZapM website http:ZapM.com, for >details...) Actually, that should be http://ZapM.com * Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com * I didn't use cut and paste because it was a fictional URL... At least I think it's fictional...:) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of R W [moonduck@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss > >Seriously though, tasers don't have *that* much effect on humans > >Do they not? Personal anecdote time: A group of friends are out talking by >the barbeque one Califonia afternoon, and one of them shows off her new >taser (contact model rather than the shooty one). One of the assembled, >something of a blow-hard, indicates that the weapon is relatively useless, >since thick denim can protect the potential target. This he procedes to >demonstrate on his own leg. Many of us express interest and wonder, which >encourages him to further prod himself with the taser -- and he eventually >strikes one of the >electrodes precisely on the copper rivet at the hip pocket seam of his >Levi's. The guy keels over convulsing, and - how shall I put this >delicately? - he voids bladder and bowels. As amusing as this story is, you prove my point. Falling over and soiling one's self isn't really "*that* much". Falling over, bleeding and dying within seconds like a well-placed shotgun slug would cause _is_ "*that* much". The point here is that a weapon that merely incapacitates a human for a very short amount of time won't do jack to a mythos critter. I say again, tasers don't do *that* much to a human. -- -Roy, of No Particular Hobbies... "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl dominos." "In his house in R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits for the pizza man" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] [CHALLENGE2] Announcement From: "Dave Farnell" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: [DG] [CHALLENGE2] Announcement What the...?! I sent this over a week ago! Is this the second time it's arrived, or did it just never arrive before now? Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of H. Todd J. Moore [htoddjmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Taser vs Mythos Critter - Discuss Tasers... ok. Effect of temporary immobilization on races more human? Someone mentioned Deep Ones earlier. Sand People? Ghouls? If one needed taken down for questioning? I can see some use. Not a lot, but some. Todd ===== In Xanadu did Kubla Khan Gyre and gimble in the wabe Where Alphe the Sacred River Ran Through caverns measureless to man, And the mome raths outgrabe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Attack of the FAQ! From: "Chris Womack" > Thanks for volunteering, Dave-san. Knew we could count on you. ;) DOH! > No, but mention should be made that the search engine at the official DG > site now has the power to sift through the old list digests, so for those > curious about a particular topic the Archives no longer need be a source of > SAN-loss-inducing terror. True, but you still have to then scroll through a whole digest, often only to discover that the post that contained the keyword you were searching for doesn't actually have anything to do with what you were searching for. Now, now, I'm not complaining--it's an improvement over how it used to be, and there's really not much we can do to improve the Archive search more, other than physically breaking messages apart and threading them--but that's the Ice Cave. (And I had fun testing it--looked up "eyelids and balloon animals"--ah, those were the days!) I think Jay Dugger had some clever plan for making the old archives easier to search, but when he explained it to me, my primitive brain just kind of whirred and clicked and emitted smoke. > (Oh, and not that it matters, but the DGML is > actually approaching its *4th* anniversary, on April mumble-mumbleth.) Cool--that means I'm not as old as I thought I was! > Anyway, that should be enough to be getting on with--I expect to see a final > draft of the new FAQ on the Chief's desk by the end of the month, Farnell. DOH! OK, but only if Davide Mana doesn't want to do it--he's the original FAQ-master. And it'll have to wait a couple weeks until my textbook is done. (Which, by the way, contains sly references to Delta Green under the guise of teaching English conversation to Japanese college freshmen. All part of my evil plan....) and From: "Shane Ivey" > If you have one, send it and we can put it on the DGML page at > delta-green.com, too. I had a copy, but I can't find it. Back when Davide wrote the FAQ, I was using a different computer, so I suspect I failed to transfer the document. Davide? Oh, and someone (I'm sorry, I've forgotten who) wrote up a trimmed-down, just-the-essentials version not so long ago. It's quite possible that it'll need very little updating--just new URLs here and there, maybe. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Thom Ryng [thom@arcadiagov.org] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] In Memoriam Join me in raising a glass to the memory of Howard Phillips Lovecraft, who died on 15 March 1937. I'm pretty sure the old gent would have been appalled at what his creations and co-creations have become. A game?! cheers, thom Thom Ryng "My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent. I shall attack." (Marshal Foch) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Attack of the FAQ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Womack" >(Oh, and not that it matters, but the DGML is > actually approaching its *4th* anniversary, on April mumble-mumbleth.) I hereby declare that April 1st, 1998 is the OFFICIAL, SANCTIONED and one true GOSPEL as delivered by the MIB, birthdate of the Delta Green Mailing List. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Attack of the FAQ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Farnell" > True, but you still have to then scroll through a whole digest, often only > to discover that the post that contained the keyword you were searching for > doesn't actually have anything to do with what you were searching for. Only people unable to press CTRL-F (Option-F on macs, probably) to activate their browser's intrinsic find feature (for within whatever page you're viewing) have to scroll like this. We more advanced users know many secrets... do not mess with us for your flesh is tender and tastes good with horseradish! If you'd like to join us advanced users, simply press ALT+F4 within your browser or email client for the registration program to launch. Mac Users are advanced users by definition, so have no need of this secret kung-fu technique. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/