From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Sanity Cards Revisited Owing to the large volume of requests I've had for the Sanity Cards (thanks to all who pitched in ideas, btw - I know it wasn't my idea originally), I'll be slightly miffed if people don't use them. Oh, if you need something other than Word 2000 format and haven't notified me as yet, let me know. Sorry, I can't do PDFs as yet. James _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Sanity Cards Revisited I'm an idiot. Word 97 - 2000 is all one format. Carry on. James _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Sanity Cards Revisited Good job. Don't worry, I almost fell for the old "to solve your windows problem, go to start, run, and type in Format C: /y and all your problems will go away" so at least you're not rock bottom. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Sanity Cards Revisited ----- Original Message ----- From: > Good job. Thanks. I did have a litst of all people that contributed; alas, Cthulhu (read: hard disk reformat) got to it before I could post it here. Those of you who see your ideas in the Sanity Cards, thankyou! James _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eric Eves [eeves@erskine.edu] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Oh what to do... R W wrote: > -Roy, brandishing his Spear and Magic Helmet... Ok, that got a chuckle out of me. Old Bugs Bunny short based on Wagner, right? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Don Fougere [bolide@mars.ark.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Psychic Pharmeceuticals Damned MiB, (Just because I can't conceive of calling you Dear! ;-) Another consideration when dealing with drugs, especially on folks like myself, is allergic and atypical reactions. I have at least 4 allergies (that I know of) to very common drugs, but the reactions are not at all text-book, one is mind-bendingly hallucinogenic, one extremely painful (attacking internal organs) and two others cause respiratory failure. Needless to say I haven't found the one that causes permanent brain damage yet, but I'm working on it. Any recommendations? Regardless, it is another angle from which to view any drug use. Be seein' ya, Farnham bolide@mars.ark.com http://mars.ark.com/~soapy/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Oh what to do... Players: "Oh mighty keeper, we have an idea." Keeper: "mmm-hmmm?" Players: "We're going to have our investigators make suits of armor." Keeper: "You are?" Players: "Yes, we are." Keeper: "Okay..." (all the while thinking 'that's not going to do them much good when they come up against the Shoggoth next week... in fact, they'll have a hard time running through the bog in all that armor...') But I suppose it does lend itself to low-grade gamer comedy : ) Inv. on ground, in armor, badly mangled: "It's just a flesh wound." J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Laurel Halbany [mythago@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Die Lebenstentoten & Heydrich > >There's also the psychological impact on the freshly resurrected. Many > >of these men may not be quite the spirited individuals that they once > >were after returning from the grave. Surely other folks here have read Lucius Sheppard's book "Green Eyes"? For those who haven't, the premise of the book was that there was a way to bring back the dead...however, the 'personality' of the newly-resurrected had nothing to do with the original dead person. The scientists involved couldn't figure out whether they had managed to call down a random spirit into the empty body, or whether the resurrected person had undergone a total, rapid and utter personality change. ------- Laurel Halbany mythago@pacbell.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jesper Anderson [jesper@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [long] [DG] Medieval Combat Arts (was:Oh what to do...) There are a lot of stuff flying around about medieval and modern metal armours right now. Here's some basics to keep in mind. Medieval armour Medieval plate armour and modern SCA style armour are entirely different beasts. Medieval armour was around 0,5 mm thick, hammered to increasingly efficient deflective shapes (as well as strengthening, such as ribbed plate) and case hardened (tempered) with utmost precision. The armour was hard to the point of brittleness on the outside with a softer, elastically deformable core. This armour was designed to prevent death, not to allow a soldier to walk away from several battles without bruises. Noone can make such an armour today, the art is lost. Chain mail was a far cry from todays spring steel rings. The rings were welded together and the complete chain mail case tempered in the same way a plate armour was. The eastern chain mails with six interlocking rings, made in a similar fashion otherwise, was masterful. Heavy, but very good protection. SCA armour In contrast, SCA armour is made from soft metal that is thicker (usually 1 - 1.5 mm, although some smiths prefer 2 mm or thicker steel) and is not tempered. The softness of the metal will absord blunt damage better, making the wearer practically immune to the comparatively soft rattan weapons in use (SCA rattan sword - D4, although the technique can easily be used with a steel core baton, D6 to D8 depending on size, and riot shield). SCA armour is also used a lot more than medieval armour. A typical SCA fighter will fight many more single opponents than a medieval soldier. However, SCA armour is not nearly as good against edged and pointed weapons. The soft material allows a blade to "bite", and there will be more blunt trauma than from a pure blunt weapon. A proper helmetcrusher (mace) would make mincemeat of a typical SCA armour. Both SCA and medieval armour would be close to worthless against a modern firearm, except possibly a shotgun with civilian shot (military shot, such as the nasty 9 mm shot used by H&K CAWS, would barely be affected). Consider it a point or two. A possible approach? What would be a good, reasonably practical armour is an SCA style armour made from a harder steel (more work, but quite doable) and tempered. Such an armour would make a difference against lower velocity firearms such as handguns and shotguns, but would still not do much good against a high velocity rifle round. A thick (3-4 mm) tempered steel breastplate would make a good class II-III or so bulletproof vest, although heavy. Swimming Regarding swimming in armour, a Captain stationed by the Nile in Egypt (his name escapes me) would, every morning, swim across the Nile to his troops - wearing full plate armour and field packing. It's definitely possible to swim in armour, provided you have the muscle to do so. In game terms I'd let a character with 16 STR swim in full plate at normal swim skill, below that perhaps lose 10% per point of strength. For plate on the body only, 14 STR as base. Nasty, but not undoable. Sleeping Sleeping in armour is also possible, for a while at least. It gets very icky after a couple of days, just like wearing thick clothes constantly. The weather plays a role. If it's cold, it can be quite comfortable to sleep in armour. It helps keep you warm and cozy. Arrows As for protection against medieval style missiles, such as arrows and spears, any form of plate armour will make you practically immune to their effects. Chain armour will also almost completely block arrows, even crossbow arrows, while blunt weapons will penetrate better. Tests were made by the SCA were chain mail made from coat hanger wire (POS grade metal) could not be penetrated by swords, spears or arrows. This is typical. Interlocked chains, metal scales or, best of all, metal plates will completely block most one man operated medieval missile weapons. The accounts of medieval knights falling like lambs to the slaughter actually refers to their levys and horses, who have much lower protection. Without them a knight is quickly overwhelmed by numbers (actually by the levys and horses of the opponent). Warhorses A knight going to war had three horses with him. The riding horse, the charger and the destrier. The riding horse has one possible use in combat - to flee it with. The charger is a "body builded" lighter horse. It can achieve high speeds in short distances and maintain them for a short while. It is typically used for cavalry shock assaults. After that it has been used up, and the knight would ride back to instead mount his destrier. The destrier is the archetypical warhorse. A big, strong horse that is, as it were, psychotic. It cannot be kept untended with other horses because it will attack them. There are no warhorses today because these traits were for obvious reasons not desireable in non-combat horses. Thus they ceased to be bred and what we have today are nice, mild mannered, sane horses. Training a modern horse for combat is a very difficult, if not completely undoable, task. The SCA tried this as well (those crazy people have tried everything) and predictably it was very dangerous, because the horses, being sane, wanted nothing to do with combat. Armour on a horse is a good idea, but prohibitively heavy for riding around with. The Phalanxes had horses covered in steel plate, but that was chargers for the feared Phalanx triangle charge only. Even jousting armour for horses covered only the front of the horse. Still, some knights covered their horses in single layers of chain for protection. Someone even covered a war elephant in chainmail. Yet again, it's doable for a limited time, but on a campaign the horses would for the most part go unarmoured. References There are plenty of references for medieval style armour and weapons. The trick is to read past all the interpretations by various historians (most of them carried from the 19th century, for historical reasons) and instead see what the raw data says. The Palladium book of Weapons and Armour series has some good starting points. Sun Tzu's the Art of War talks a bit about detailed equipment. The various Osprey books contain interesting information, although little detail. My main source of information has been museum documents and books. Unfortunately I can't provide more detailed references than this as my books are in storage on the other side of the Atlantic. In Sweden the local libraries carry many very good books depicting armours stored in various museums. Also, a good reference is fighters and armoursmiths recreating medieval style armour for the SCA and various reenactement groups. I have done SCA fighting, made my own armour (with plate arms and legs, and yes, it was difficult) although my current armour is a plate made by a very good armourer with years of experience. Hope this is of use, Jesper _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ACM [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Psionic Pharmeceuticals: Naming Mythos Drugs Ah, I missed the word "Domain". Pardon my off-topic rambling, then. Does anyone have an actual way to apply this to pharmaceuticals? Or are you looking for solutions other than Domain? ACM [snip] > Generically, the "workhorse" of simple first-generation Domain technology > was known as YY:b/t. [snip] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Christopher (Case Officer) [christopher@delta-green.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:58 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] back online The list seems to be working again. It remains to be seen whether we'll still see our mail going out to Pendergrast and that tabloid TV crew. I understand Andrea has a team on that particular case. Carry on. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Delta Green Toolkit Repost, guys. I didn't get jack crap if any of you responded. Do you allow your players to view the toolkit? I personally don't, but I want to know if I'm just being whack. I just have the feelings that if they need a shopping list of what would be useful in a DG op, that sort of bypasses a creative, sometimes (read: always) humerous process of buying gear in different places in the period between DG ops. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kevin Daignault [rpglist@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Psionic Pharmeceuticals: Naming Mythos Drugs It all depends on how you want to consider the molecule to be "interdimensional". If there are only specific parts of the molecule (interdimensional functional groups), you could asterisk the carbon that has it. Assuming, a 4-bromo-butanoic acid had the 3rd carbon "interdimensional active" you could just have 3*-4-bromo-butanoic acid. But that doesn't look very intimidating. How about tying the name to the creature from which it is derived. That is how they did it back in the day. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bill Nichols [themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:28 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: [DG] New Military command structure in U.S. Here's a new place for your military DG operatives to work: http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=834090 Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Fenlason@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] New Military command structure in U.S. In a message dated 04/17/2002 8:28:51 PM US Mountain Standard Time, themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com writes: > Here's a new place for your military DG > operatives to work: > Yeah. North America. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:16 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Delta Green Toolkit ----- Original Message ----- From: > Do you allow your players to view the toolkit? Yes. I give them the toolkit list and explain that occasionally, just occassionally, there may possibly be the remote chance that there could be a black gym bag in their nearest Green Box or in the trunk of their govt-issue (read: Friendly-prepped) car. Now whenever there's really nasty trouble (ie the Barn scene in "Convergence") they flip open the trunk and hope to god there's a Mossberg, a Glock 22 and a pack of Lucky Strikes in there. James _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nocstar [shepherd93@insightbb.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen A priceless slug-eating plant has been stolen from a nursery in Austria. It's hoped the flesh-eater has been taken by pranksters rather than rival botanical geneticists. Slugs and other pests cost agriculture billions of pounds each year so a copy could be worth a fortune. A predator plant could also make many poisons redundant. Full story: http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_569881.html Now what recipes in the Cookbook require a flesh-eating predator plant? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nocstar" > A priceless slug-eating plant has been stolen from a nursery in Austria. > It's hoped the flesh-eater has been taken by pranksters rather than rival > botanical geneticists. I'll see your flesh-eating plant and raise you an entirely new group of insect. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/18/science/18BUG.html?todaysheadlines "Everybody had said that's it, we have them all, guys," said Dr. Joachim Adis, entomologist at the Max Planck Institute for Limnology in Germany and an author of a report on the find, which he said brought the total number of known insect orders up to 31. Dr. Terry Erwin, an entomologist at the Smithsonian Institution who has no connection to the new work, said it was "definitely something big." "It's an entirely new lineage of organisms that's gone undetected," Dr. Erwin said. Dr. Adis and his colleagues describe the new order in tomorrow's online edition of the journal Science. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > "It's an entirely new lineage of organisms that's gone undetected," Scientists always give me a buzz when thay say that. Is there any ObDG that could link these two incidents? James _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) Cheers. The Lizard King upped the ante and wrote.... > I'll see your flesh-eating plant and raise you an entirely new group of >insect. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/18/science/18BUG.html?todaysheadlines Somehow this one kicks me out. But anyway.... >"Everybody had said that's it, we have them all, guys," said Dr. Joachim >Adis, entomologist at the Max Planck Institute for Limnology in Germany and >an author of a report on the find, which he said brought the total number of >known insect orders up to 31. I will not point out that another order would make them 32, which is 23 the other way around. But now nailing a whole order is pretty interesting - the beast this guy has found has to be pretty different from the rest. >Dr. Terry Erwin, an entomologist at the Smithsonian Institution who has no >connection to the new work, said it was "definitely something big." >"It's an entirely new lineage of organisms that's gone undetected," Dr. >Erwin said. It will be interesting to see if it went undetected because we did not watch (like, it's an organism limited to some very specific, seldom observed tropical jungle environments) or because we did not see (like, it's been secretly ruling the world and we kept blaming reptoids). Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:52 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/18/science/18BUG.html?todaysheadlines > > Somehow this one kicks me out. Try just http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/18/science/18BUG.html Sorry about that. I get the NY Times headlines via email and it adds the ?todaysheadlines to the URL. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > Sorry about that. I get the NY Times headlines via email and it adds the > ?todaysheadlines to the URL. As do I. For such a big newspaper, there's suprisingly little in it. James _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:55 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Delta Green Toolkit This sounds like the ships locker from Traveller. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. If in your game you like to make your players work for their equipment (which can be interesting... see James Elroy's "American Tabloid" for a set-up of the anti-Castro camps) then some entries in the equipment guide could be "suggested" by Friendlies. Example: Friendly: Tie this to your belts. Agent1: Where'd you get the rope? Friendly: I always carry some in the trunk. Never know when you'll need it. Tie it with a slipknot... I want us to not get separated, but also not trapped. Agent2: What else do you have in the trunk? Friendly: Well, the hip waders come in handy... -----Original Message----- From: James Knevitt [mailto:psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:16 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Delta Green Toolkit ----- Original Message ----- From: > Do you allow your players to view the toolkit? Yes. I give them the toolkit list and explain that occasionally, just occassionally, there may possibly be the remote chance that there could be a black gym bag in their nearest Green Box or in the trunk of their govt-issue (read: Friendly-prepped) car. Now whenever there's really nasty trouble (ie the Barn scene in "Convergence") they flip open the trunk and hope to god there's a Mossberg, a Glock 22 and a pack of Lucky Strikes in there. James _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of nick moncrief [azathoth42@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Knevitt" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:10 AM Subject: Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) > > Sorry about that. I get the NY Times headlines via email and it adds the > > ?todaysheadlines to the URL. > > As do I. For such a big newspaper, there's suprisingly little in it. > > James > Yeah but it'll all fit on a cockroach... http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/millennium/m6/design-lanier.html _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of R W [moonduck@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Delta Green Toolkit >is in the lead as the team descends through a manhole> >Friendly: Tie this to your belts. >Agent1: Where'd you get the rope? >Friendly: I always carry some in the trunk. Never know when you'll need >it. >Tie it with a slipknot... I want us to not get separated, but also not >trapped. >Agent2: What else do you have in the trunk? >Friendly: Well, the hip waders come in handy... > Right, I carry rope in the back of my auto. Does that make me a potential Friendly, or just wierd? =) In general, while acting as Keeper/GM, I run "normal everyday gear" questions in situations where there might be flex by the expediency of a quick search of a randomly chosen gamer or a gamer's auto depending on circumstances. I figure that if a gamer might carry something, so might a PC. This logic has gotten me into trouble on occassion when I've found some truly bizarre items of gear in vehicles owned by my players. Actually, knowing what I carry in my Trooper, I shouldn't be surprised at what other folks carry, and I wonder what some of you people tote on a daily basis.... -Roy, has an extra page of inventory on his RL character sheet... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marshall Gatten [marshall@thegattens.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen) > Yeah but it'll all fit on a cockroach... > http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/millennium/m6/design-lanier.html But how surprised they will be when they actually go to make an archival cockroach and discover that the roach already contains blueprints for a spaceship that we can use to go meet our designers once we've evolved enough to discover the plans! Or, on a more DG'ish level, here's a bizarre and far fetched idea: Biologists working for the government on highly classified projects encoding all the details of the work into a cockroach population so that the biologists of another country's government (the one that the first biologists REALLY work for) can decode it and the spy ring can never be detected. Yeah, okay, now that I typed all that out I can see that it's pretty stupid. But seeing how I've already typed it, I'm gonna inflict it upon you anyway. Such is the power of the Send button. Marshall _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marshall Gatten [marshall@thegattens.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Noise power Useful energy from random vibrations: http://www.nature.com/nsu/020415/020415-4.html A question for the physicist types out there: Just how much energy could you theoretically get from these things? There's plenty of sources for the motive force - just put banks of them under freeway overpasses and between train tracks. But could they be made cheaply enough and placed densely enough to make them really useful? For instance, could you fit enough of them inside a jet airliner wing to power the plane's electrical systems from the engine vibrations and turbulence? Could you use them near the tires of electric cars to supplement the battery power? Or, more to the point, could you make something like a Tillinghast Resonator that is powered by it's own vibration? Or provide power to a city by the screams of those who encounter the zombies in the tunnels below? With such a perfect renewable energy source this invention could eventually be incredibly huge - so, as I see it, it's crucial that we get the mythos into it as early as possible. :) Marshall _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of bad_karma@mindspring.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Personal Toolkits (was Delta Green Toolkit) On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:35:19 -0400 R W wrote: >Right, I carry rope in the back of my auto. Does >that make me a potential Friendly, or just >wierd? =) Boy Scout Syndrome. :) >In general, while acting as Keeper/GM, I >run "normal everyday gear" questions in >situations where there might be flex by the >expediency of a quick search of a randomly >chosen gamer or a gamer's auto depending on >circumstances. I figure that if a gamer might >carry something, so might a PC. This logic has >gotten me into trouble on occassion when I've >found some truly bizarre items of gear in >vehicles owned by my players. > >Actually, knowing what I carry in my Trooper, I >shouldn't be surprised at what other folks >carry, and I wonder what some of you people tote >on a daily basis.... Vehicle: '99 Mitsubishi Eclipse Passenger Compartment: - 3 D-Cell Mag-Lite - chamois (good for water OR blood!) - $20 in the ashtray (always have enough gas money to get to the state line) - Smith & Wesson break-out knife (lockback blade with serrated edge and screwdriver tip, spring-loaded glass-breaker) Trunk: - toolkit (general light tools: socket wrench, hammer, screwdrivers, pliers, electrical tape, baling wire, spare batteries for the Mag-Lite [in waterproof bag], spare headlight and taillight bulbs) - cigarette lighter-powered emergency light/air pump - road flares and Cyalume sticks - jumper cables - spare vehicle fluids (oil, washer, radiator, power steering) - 5-gallon bucket with car care chemicals, a towel, and a 20-gallon trash bag (seasonal) - sleeping bag and change of clothes (seasonal) - C. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Delta Green Toolkit In a message dated 4/18/02 1:37:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, moonduck@hotmail.com writes: > Actually, knowing what I carry in my Trooper, I shouldn't be surprised at > what other folks carry, and I wonder what some of you people tote on a > daily > basis.... > > Be advised that if we start down the path that this thread will soon take us, there will soon be much hue and cry of off-topicness and the like. And they would be right. That said, here's what I carry about in my 1999 Suburban 2500 Diesal: cell phone / can of Ravioli / couple of maps / flashlight / big-ass bottle of Rolaids / little plush Cthulhu what sits on my dashboard and glares at me balefully whilst I drive / 9mm EAA semi-auto pistol / jumper cables / mover's quilt / about 30 feet of cheap nylon rope / Kabar knife / 3 or 4 beef sticks / sunglasses / spare change / big-ass box of CDs / key-chain sized light saber / insurance papers / vehicle registration / cell phone charger The Thug Whisperer "Back off man! I'm a scientist." ---- Peter Venkman From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ACM [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Noise power > Or, more to the point, could you make something like a Tillinghast Resonator > that is powered by it's own vibration? Well, I think it would work for a while, but I imagine the 2nd law would kick in eventually and cause enough energy to be lost that it could no longer function. It does remind me of that Heinlein story, though. "Waldo", or whatever, where he draws energy from a dimension superimposed on ours (or something like that). The resonator/sound collector combination seems just a little to similar to be ignored... ACM _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nyarlathothep132@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] China, and digest list Two questions. 1. Has anyone done any thinking on the People's Republic of China and their exposure to the mythos? China's got a nice, rich mythos history- they may happen to control the Plateau of Leng, they've got lots of cults (Bloated Women), and they have every reason to explore the mythos as a way to increase their power. Now, at the moment, I'm thinking that a Chinese Delta Green could serve two purposes in a campaign- as a villain, or as an ally. As a villain, the C-DG would be a good defeatable foe for a campaign- not defeating the organization itself, but foiling an operation on US soil. But I don't know if making C-DG a straight-up power hungry conspiracy (like MJ-12) is giving it enough credit. It's also possible that C-DG realizes the grave threat the mythos poses to Chinese security, and battles it. A fully supported C-DG could be an incredible ally for Delta Green, except that working together would require US Government employees to illegally undertake actions in conjunction with a Communist Chinese intelligence agency. Other than that, though, a C-DG could be like GRU-SV8 with money and manpower. (Or, you could do both- a Chinese Majestic-12, perhaps secretly controlled by the Cult of Transcendence through the remnants of Bloated Women worship, is opposed by a Chinese Delta Green...) 2. Is there a digest version of this list? From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Daly [johnd_iv@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Personal Toolkits (was Delta Green Toolkit) This one's true. My car was in bad shape and needed major repair work, but my wife needed to be picked up from the airport about 300 miles away. Natch, I ask a friend if I can borrow one of their cars for the trip. You can imagine my surprise to put the bags in the trunk and discover rope, shovels, salt, sand, water and two MREs. All that in a Volkswagen Scirroco convertable. Now that's "Boy Scout Syndrome". John PS: I can't imagine anyone on this list not knowing what MREs are, but for any mundanes looking over your shoulder, MREs are "Meal, Ready-to-Eat". It's a real meal made years ago and vacuum packed. They stay fresh for something like ten years. --- bad_karma@mindspring.com wrote: > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:35:19 -0400 R W > wrote: > > >Right, I carry rope in the back of my auto. Does > >that make me a potential Friendly, or just > >wierd? =) > > Boy Scout Syndrome. :) > > >In general, while acting as Keeper/GM, I > >run "normal everyday gear" questions in > >situations where there might be flex by the > >expediency of a quick search of a randomly > >chosen gamer or a gamer's auto depending on > >circumstances. I figure that if a gamer might > >carry something, so might a PC. This logic has > >gotten me into trouble on occassion when I've > >found some truly bizarre items of gear in > >vehicles owned by my players. > > > >Actually, knowing what I carry in my Trooper, I > >shouldn't be surprised at what other folks > >carry, and I wonder what some of you people tote > >on a daily basis.... > > Vehicle: > '99 Mitsubishi Eclipse > > Passenger Compartment: > - 3 D-Cell Mag-Lite > - chamois (good for water OR blood!) > - $20 in the ashtray (always have enough gas money > to get to the state line) > - Smith & Wesson break-out knife (lockback blade > with serrated edge and screwdriver tip, > spring-loaded glass-breaker) > > Trunk: > - toolkit (general light tools: socket wrench, > hammer, screwdrivers, pliers, electrical tape, > baling wire, spare batteries for the Mag-Lite [in > waterproof bag], spare headlight and taillight > bulbs) > - cigarette lighter-powered emergency light/air pump > - road flares and Cyalume sticks > - jumper cables > - spare vehicle fluids (oil, washer, radiator, power > steering) > - 5-gallon bucket with car care chemicals, a towel, > and a 20-gallon trash bag (seasonal) > - sleeping bag and change of clothes (seasonal) > > - C. > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of sylvain.clement [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: DNA piggybacking for fun and profit (Re: New Insect Order ( was Re: [DG] Slug-eating Plant Stolen)) From: "Marshall Gatten" > But how surprised they will be when they actually go to make an archival > cockroach and discover that the roach already contains blueprints for a > spaceship that we can use to go meet our designers once we've evolved enough > to discover the plans! > > Or, on a more DG'ish level, here's a bizarre and far fetched idea: > Biologists working for the government on highly classified projects encoding > all the details of the work into a cockroach population so that the > biologists of another country's government (the one that the first > biologists REALLY work for) can decode it and the spy ring can never be > detected. > > Yeah, okay, now that I typed all that out I can see that it's pretty stupid. > But seeing how I've already typed it, I'm gonna inflict it upon you anyway. > Such is the power of the Send button. Ha ! Not a bad idea, Agent Gatten. Richard Dawkins described a similar one : an imprisoned biologist wishes to warn the outside world about his plight. He encodes his message in the DNA of some flu variant he designed for the bad guys, then contaminates himself and his captors, till the flu propagates abroad and his fellows read the bug's DNA in order to circumvent it. SC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of PST Productions [gafostin@coat.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:53 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Personal Toolkits (was Delta Green Toolkit) {snip} >Actually, knowing what I carry in my Trooper, I >shouldn't be surprised at what other folks >carry, and I wonder what some of you people tote >on a daily basis.... '86 Chevy Celebrity (former Taxicab) Glove Box: -Car papers -Old Swiss Army Knife -Maps of Tri State area -Gloves (leather) Under Pass. Seat: -Brinkman 6-D cell flashlight -Coleman 1,000,000 candlepower flood light -sizeable pipe wrench -duct tape Driver's Seat: -Blackjack -Hide-a-dollar containing $20.00 -Gerber Mulit Tool Backseat: -First Aid Kid (Military Surplus) -Disposable Camera -Network Wire -Electrical Tape Trunk: -Tool Kit (with a little of everything) -100' of high tensile strength rope -foot pump -various car fluids -spare bulbs for flashlight, car, and floodlight -extra D-cell batteries in a .50cal ammo case -VCR -wooden steaks -air cannon (don't ask!) -2 dozen "X-out" golfballs -tow kit hook -ether (hey, it's an old car and it needs in on cold mornings) -fog machine -poly plastic dropcloth -200 lbs lift magnet There are some other things depending on if I am running a Cthulhu Live event or not then there is some really strange stuff... At one time I had 2 Dental X-Ray machine projectors and a YAG L.A.S.E.R. in there. Greg Agostini PST Productions www.cthulhulive.com pstproductions@yahoo.com Yahoo Messenger: pstproductions America Online Messenger: ventax ******************************************************************************* PST Productions Live Action Role Playing in the worlds of H.P. Lovecraft "All you have to lose is your sanity!" www.cthulhulive.com PST Productions proudly announces that it will be running 2 events this year at Origins. Join us for a trip into war-torn Europe for 2 chilling tales. Angel of Prague & Berlin Black Origins 2002 Columbus, Ohio July 4-7, 2002 "In space, no one can see you lose sanity!" NULL ECHO InterCon XVII October 4-6, 2002 ******************************************************************************* _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/