From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Refrigerator that walked >From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) >Reply-To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >Subject: [DG] The Refrigerator that walked >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:56:52 +0200 > >Good Morning! > >Here's a brief report about an incident I experienced a while ago that >might be >of interest for some of you. > [snip the disgusting story] Good story. Have to use that, someday. But Eckhard, why do your stories always include either prostitutes or rotting meat? http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/v02/v02.n012 Jussi M, mildly disgusted _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jesper Anderson [jesper@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:48 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Child Murders On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:23:24AM +0000, Thoth Amon wrote: > > I don't think there is an ObDG, and that's probably the saddest and > scariest part of such behaviour - there is no cosmic significance or > greater meaning in such actions. Human nature, desperation, > loneliness and isolation can drive you to horrible extremes. > > The deep black well known as the human psyche contains a lot of > twisted, f**ked up excuses for behaviour outside the norm - it only > requires the fall of the right series of psychological dominoes to > push you into the blackness. And here lies what I consider the absolutely scariest aspect of DG, and something I try to emphasize in my gaming sessions. The scary part of the Karotechia isn't their mythos ties - it's that they willingly and knowingly use it for the purposes they do. What makes the servants of the Fate so utterly frightening is not the power behind them, even when it manifests itself, but that they have willingly gone there, become one with it and embraced it. The mythos is an excellent lens through which to view this behaviour. Quite a while ago I was arguing against sterotyping the Karotechia members as pulp nazis, suppressed homosexuals and adopters of whatever may further the cause (such as black Bischoffe). The reason for that was related to this - they are simply not scary if they are just stupid bigots who stumbled on power. What makes them scary is that they are dedicated, intelligent, unreasonably loyal and stalwart servants to their cause. Removing that aspect of them reduces them to generic insane cultists. Emphasizing their unwavering belief and the strength of their willingly accepted delusions is much, much scarier. So scary that it's difficult to do. And therein lies the heart of my upcoming campaign. Jesper _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Refrigerator that walked ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jussi Marttila" > Good story. Have to use that, someday. But Eckhard, why do your stories > always include either prostitutes or rotting meat? > > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/v02/v02.n012 Ah, The Return of the Meatpile. I knew it would rear it's slimy head soon after the refrigerator story. Just be thankful he doesn't tell you any of his stories that involve prostitutes *and* rotting meat. And transsexual prostitutes and rotting meat? Fuhgeddaboudit. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dominic Mooney [dom@cybergoths.u-net.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 09:17 , sean worcester wrote: > we had kind of a similar idea. Have you guys ever paid attention to book > clubs? And the kinds of stuff they get? Imagine if the KiY were some how > mixed into a book club run, only like 200 copies were send out instead of > the regular book? Or better yet, a High School Drama Club (every school > has one) one of Prodigies gets a hold of a KiY script. and guess what > they are performing the play for the city counsel. > The president is a nice twist but it takes away from the Small town > horror, which to me is more fun. Can anyone point me towards the source of the KiY stuff? I can't recall it in the DG book, or Alien Intelligence, or in CoC2 (I do have CoC 5.5 and 20th Anniversary, but I never really read them in as much detail as CoC2). BTW the FAQ etc was mentioned a while ago - is it available yet? Dom (who can't wait for the weekend as he got a phonecall telling him his copy of DG:CountDown and Rules of Engagement have arrived in the UK) PS Sorry for the double post earlier today, but I lost the internet connection part way through sending. --------dom@cybergoths.u-net.com-------- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Refrigerator that walked Jussi Marttila schrieb: > > Good story. Have to use that, someday. But Eckhard, why do your stories > always include either prostitutes or rotting meat? > > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/v02/v02.n012 It's something that I thought about as well, especially since it seems to get worse. Bad Karma, I guess. But nonetheless those events were pretty educating for me: I will never ever leave meat to rot in my fridge. And after what I've seen and smelled I think that animated rotten meat might be an interesting creature for DG. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Refrigerator that walked From: "Eckhard Huelshoff" > And after what I've seen and smelled I think that animated rotten meat might be > an interesting creature for DG. Well, there was the APT (Animal-Parts Thing) in At Your Door. I didn't use that when I ran the campaign, because it was a red herring, and with two players about to move out of the country, I had no time for red herrings (and we weren't able to finish it anyway). But IIRC there were stats in there in case the Keeper decided to make the APT real, and not just some mad scientist's deranged project. Dave "I sewed the back half of a dog to the back half of a cat--and they called me MAD!"--Dr. Clayton Forrester, MST3K [possibly misquoted] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind From: "Dominic Mooney" > Can anyone point me towards the source of the KiY stuff? I can't recall it > in the DG book, or Alien Intelligence, or in CoC2 (I do have CoC 5.5 and > 20th Anniversary, but I never really read them in as much detail as CoC2). Check the responses to Brent's question earlier today. Also, the crucial original stories are online (copyright long expired) here: http://www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/l_kiy.htm Other links for the curious: http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/lion/157/ambrose.htm http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/lion/157/broad1.htm http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.SI-0023.html http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.SI-0024.html http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.SI-0025.html http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.RO-0416.html http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dgpdf.htm http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.DF-0011.html http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.DS-0099.html http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.KT-0421.html That should give you enough creepy stuff to read for a couple of weeks. > BTW the FAQ etc was mentioned a while ago - is it available yet? No. Actually, I've forgotten--am I still supposed to be working on that, or is Davide doing it, or are we just going with Shane's new welcome letter, or what? (Now that I can't speak due to laryngitis, I might have a couple of days off--kind of hard for a teacher to work with paralyzed vocal chords.) Dave the Silent (Max the Silent's much less deadly sidekick.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:21 AM To: Delta Green (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Agent Rotten All this talk about rotting meat instigated by Mr. Huelshoff ( ;-) ) made me think about a possible future scenario-idea. It goes something like this : The Agents bust up the plans of a particularly nasty magician (Karotechia? Fate? Cult of Transcendence? Whatever's your pleasure.). The magician decides to get even and uses his Dark And Horrible Magic(TM) to transfer the minds of the Agents into some old used-up zombified corpses he has laying around in the basement. The magician taunts the decomposing Agents("Muahahaahaaaa!") and leaves them to rot, locked up in the cellar (or old crypt, abandoned factory, whatever ...). Luckily some intrepid Ghouls have decided to raid the nice-smelling place for some quick snacks and break into the cellar. After some confusion the Agents escape the cellar. Preferably the magician should leave them with some clue on how to return to their bodies (which are conveniently placed in a guarded coma-ward at the local hospital). Time to discreetly shamble through the streets in hunt of the solution before they rot away to nothing. I'm not quite sure of the details (how should they break the curse etc.) and it might be a quite steep sanity-cost to the scenario but maybe some of the list-members have any ideas on how to make it work? BTW there are some definite parallells to the movie Dead Heat here in case someone has seen it. Not a great movie, but amusing. /JoB _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James King [J.M.King@warwick.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Israeli Spy Ring in the US? I really don't know why people find this sort of thing so surprising. The division of the world into 'friends' and 'enemies' is a highly artificial one. Every government is, or should be, first and foremost attempting to further the interests of its own people. That's what we pay our taxes for, after all. Any country that tells its 'friends' and 'allies' everything is misguided and any country that believes that its 'friends' and 'allies' tell it everything is naive. James >>> ialdaloboth@hotmail.com 04/24/02 06:45am >>> http://www.AlterNet.org/story.html?StoryID=12928 What really, really, really pisses me off about this one is that this could have been MY scoop. I was reading about it in the papers over here, but, given the nature of arab media (they'll believe ANYTHING about Israel, and often do) I was too skeptical. So I let it slide. Damn. Teach me to go with my first instincts. obDG: cui bono? And how? And what else could ADNOCs be listening in to? At the very least, maybe you could have some foreign art students show up at your agents' door with "lovely art" to sell as a prelude to spying... J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Thoth Amon [stygiandarkness@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Child Murders/Dark Theatre of the Mind And so it was written: >Dave the Silent >(Max the Silent's much less deadly sidekick.) :o *Stunned silence * Someone else out there reads Andrew Vachss!? Wow! I'm busy hacking out NPCS for inclusion in a forthcoming piece in 'The Black Seal', and they are strongly (unconsciously) influenced by Burke and co. That list synchronicity thing is happening again... where's my medication? Nuuuurse! Cheers. Peter. "You don't belong here!" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Keith Potter [kpotter@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Personal Luxury Submarines People with way too much money can now buy a cool submersible yacht: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,51005,00.html From the article: > "You get an opportunity to see unusual things ‹ six-gill sharks and > large barrel sponges," Jones said. "There's a whole plethora of things > you can see and experience if you own your own submarine." That last bit sounds particularly disturbing in a Lovecraftian universe. Sponges and sharks? Riiight. What happens when a couple of New England blue-bloods take their new toy down for a little dive off Devil's Reef? --Keith Potter _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Keith Potter [kpotter@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:05 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Refrigerator that walked on 4/24/02 4:36 AM, Jussi Marttila at velcrokf@hotmail.com wrote: > Good story. Have to use that, someday. But Eckhard, why do your stories > always include either prostitutes or rotting meat? Forget about that, what happened to the MG42? :) The authorities will probably destroy it I guess? "Your Honor, I had it for boar hunting! Honest!" --Keith Potter _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:13 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Agent Rotten In a message dated 4/24/02 4:23:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se writes: > I'm not quite sure of the details (how should they break the curse etc.) > and it might be a quite steep sanity-cost to the scenario but maybe > Well, the way I see solving the huge SAN loss problem of being transferred to a dead body and having to shamble around for a while, rotting, would be to give some hefty SAN rewards to return to your own body. Certainly would make me feel good. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:17 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Art Bell Anyone find this guy a good resource for inspiration for DG ops? I occasionally listen to him, but I'm usually studying by that time and can only half pay attention to what he's saying. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind This is beautiful! Inspired! My heart is all aflutter. I shit you not. I would add a tactile component to the backout portions. Perhaps the ringers in the audience could touch those near them in some way. The Thug Whisperer "Back off man! I'm a scientist." ---- Peter Venkman From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:22 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Child Murders/Dark Theatre of the Mind > And so it was written: > > >Dave the Silent > >(Max the Silent's much less deadly sidekick.) > > :o > > *Stunned silence * > > Someone else out there reads Andrew Vachss!? Wow! > > I'm busy hacking out NPCS for inclusion in a forthcoming > piece in 'The Black > Seal', and they are strongly (unconsciously) influenced by > Burke and co. > Peter. Oh, you're not alone. I'm an avid reader of the One Eyed Man (Vachss) too. ObDG : If a scenario involves abuse of children (Y'Golonac or Skoptsi) Andrew Vachss should be on the Keepers list of reading. In one of his books (Sacrifice) a bunch of pedophiles and snuff-moviemakers use satanic props around their sick little activities to make the childrens tales less believable in case they happen to talk to anyone. This could lead into a Delta Green-Op if the rumors of occult activities reach Cell A. Makes for a good Red Herring/Non-Mythos scenario where the Agents can wipe out some of the scum of the earth without it being Cultists. "Probable cause? Warrants? Fuck that, bring me the shotgun!" "You have the right to remain silent. Actually that's what my tubular little friend here is for." Of course, since it's dark and gloomy Call of Cthulhu, it might go exactly the way of the ending of "Sacrifice" too ... Go read it. /JoB _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dominic Mooney [dom@cybergoths.u-net.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 12:00 , Dave Farnell wrote: > From: "Dominic Mooney" >> Can anyone point me towards the source of the KiY stuff? I can't recall >> it >> in the DG book, or Alien Intelligence, or in CoC2 (I do have CoC 5.5 and >> 20th Anniversary, but I never really read them in as much detail as CoC2) >> . > > Check the responses to Brent's question earlier today. Also, the crucial > original stories are online (copyright long expired) here: > http://www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/l_kiy.htm Thanks! I uploaded my question at the same time I downloaded Brent's ;-) Dom ---------dom@cybergoths.u-net.com---------- MacOS X 10.1 - Unix with Style "Reality, is something that you rise above.. We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Rich - Marillion - .com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marshall Gatten [marshall@thegattens.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind > This is beautiful! Inspired! My heart is all aflutter. > I shit you not. Oh gosh, yer makin' me blush. ;) > I would add a tactile component to the backout > portions. Perhaps the ringers in the audience > could touch those near them in some way. It also needs a good orchestra with a deeply disturbing score played in a minor key throughout. If the score was integrated tightly enough with the lines, it could add a whole new dimension. Another thought that I had was to have the ringers in the audience actually circulating and at each flash have their face disturbingly close to an audience members face, wearing a maniacal grin. Of course, in real life, people doing that would get the shit kicked out of them by frightened play-goers. If there was a way to do it without putting the ringers in harm's way, though, it would be interesting. Of course, this is becoming less a play and more a haunted house. But that's awfully cool too. When's the last time a haunted house was REALLY disturbingly frightening? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Imandos@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Art Bell The show last night had some interesting bits about Chupacabras and the Jersey Devil among other monsters. The idea that the Chupacabra may be an escaped pet of the Greys or a government experiment from some secret lab atop Puerta Rico's tallest mountain, could make a nice twist for a DG plot. The main use of Art Bell for me is not his show directly, though I do enjoy listening to either UFO or Monster/Undergound topics. Instead, I use his web page (www.artbell.com) for links to other sites and for weird photos or drawings of flying saucers, aliens, creatures, ghosts and just about any other weird thing that can be drawn. The photos and drawings that people send in of contrails and homemade floating discs are worth a visit by themselves. Best, Tom Woodall "Back from the undead after being off the list for several months." In a message dated 4/24/02 9:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com writes: > Anyone find this guy a good resource for inspiration for DG ops? > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jason Peltz [thorn@genext.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Art Bell Actually, Yes I do. Almost every show Art has someone on who says some of the strangest stuff I have ever heard let alone thought of. Art is the ultimate resource of the strange and bizarre. Jason Peltz ----- Original Message ----- From: TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: [DG] Art Bell Anyone find this guy a good resource for inspiration for DG ops? I occasionally listen to him, but I'm usually studying by that time and can only half pay attention to what he's saying. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:12 AM To: DGML Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind Hey-- on 4/24/02 10:02 AM, Marshall Gatten at marshall@thegattens.com wrote: > Another thought that I had was to have the ringers in the audience actually > circulating and at each flash have their face disturbingly close to an > audience members face, wearing a maniacal grin. Of course, in real life, > people doing that would get the shit kicked out of them by frightened > play-goers. If there was a way to do it without putting the ringers in harm's > way, though, it would be interesting. Here's a simple solution: market it not as a simple play, but as performance art, some kind of "unique entertainment experience." Get the audience to sign waivers. Then before the curtain rises, strap them to their seats. C _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jason Peltz [thorn@genext.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:16 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Refrigerator that walked Until right now I didn't think Lawyers had any fun except for in the movies! LOL! I am going to have to use that for a game someday. Thnaks Eckhard. Jason Peltz _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Russell [c-jeffru@amazon.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:19 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Real life DG/Xfile? Interesting story but those are some mighty unconvincing pictures. -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Jason Peltz Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Real life DG/Xfile? Ok I first heard this on the Art Bell show a few years ago, the "event" happened about 175 miles from my home in Washington State. Check the page out @: http://odysseylink.net/home.htm This gave me a few ideas for games I hope it help you out as well. Jason Peltz From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ludovic Chabant [ludovic.chabant@thales-tts.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:22 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Child Murders > Some time ago I used to take beginners at Karate. A small number of females > who trained at the club turned out to have violent boyfriends, for whom they > would always make excuses e.g. "he's only violent when I do something > wrong". It's always the case, whether it's a beaten woman or a beaten kid. Most of the time, the victim won't even accept any help because she thinks she doesn't need help : she just needs to do right, because the beats only come when she does wrong. It's for her good. It seems that some people had rather be "loved" by monsters than not be loved at all. The sad thing is, they don't always see the monster for who he is. The most common example is the sect : the victim of a sect is, most of the time, not in the best part of her life, but she's not completely alone and desperate either. But the sect is the most handy promise of love and hope at that time, and so she gets in. After that, the sect cuts all the "outer links", bringing the victim in a situation where she really IS alone and desperate... save for the cult itself. I'm not a great psycho-analyst but it looks like the same with a violent husband/boyfriend : he slowly builds walls around is wife/girlfriend so that she's got only him to turn to, to receive love from, etc. Hence the "it's not his fault, it's me who did wrong". Well, okay, it's not that simple, but I'm just a computer geek, you know. The point is that you just replace the husband with Nazi ideology or with Shub-Niggurath, and you've got what happens in the mind of a pro-nazi or Shubby-cultist. Except for Shub-Niggurath. Because she really loves me. I know it. She said so. > I always said a small prayer that one day the abusers would get > their just rewards, or even stop by the dojo to try their mind games. A > happy moment came when one lady, who'd been training for around a year, > proudly announced that her partner had moved out - to hospital. It's better for her, of course, but I'm surprised that the boyfriend never tried to prevent her from learning martial-arts. Maybe she did it in secret, though. L. Abdul Baan. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Imandos@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Art Bell I almost forgot. Take a look under the gallery section of Art Bell's site (www.artbell.com), under the gallery heading fun photos. Check out the two body/one headed Muskie (or Pike?) from the Missouri River in ND. That picture would be a great handout to give agents and make them paranoid about the local water supply. Another to check out is http://www.artbell.com/images/wtcangel.jpg Is this a great picture of either a Shantak, Nightgaunt or a Byakhee at the World Trade Center on 9/11? Of course you could also use Mothman or The Jersey Devil if you like. Surf around Art's site, especially his gallery. I for one, would love to hear what others suggest as ties to some of the photos there. The images in fire and in water on his site could be elementals or some nameless abomination manifesting or looking into our world. Let your imagination run and send some ideas to the list (or if too off DG topic for the administrator, send them directly to me at Imandos@aol.com). Best, Tom Woodall _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Russell [c-jeffru@amazon.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:39 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind The first thing that comes to my mind would be a slow release of a bage of small feathers dyed bright red. Not only will they feel like a soft touch or caress against bare skin but may even cause mild insect freak outs among the more phobic audience members. What could be more fun in a dark theatre than the person next to you screaming in a total panic and flailing at themselves? When the strobes flashed the red of the fathers would also make it seem that the audience and floor were spattered with blood. -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind This is beautiful! Inspired! My heart is all aflutter. I shit you not. I would add a tactile component to the backout portions. Perhaps the ringers in the audience could touch those near them in some way. The Thug Whisperer "Back off man! I'm a scientist." ---- Peter Venkman From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Russell [c-jeffru@amazon.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:39 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind Hmmm, an orchestra makes me think it might also be interesting to attempt to use offset sound frequencies to force trance states in the audience. -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Marshall Gatten Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind > This is beautiful! Inspired! My heart is all aflutter. > I shit you not. Oh gosh, yer makin' me blush. ;) > I would add a tactile component to the backout > portions. Perhaps the ringers in the audience > could touch those near them in some way. It also needs a good orchestra with a deeply disturbing score played in a minor key throughout. If the score was integrated tightly enough with the lines, it could add a whole new dimension. Another thought that I had was to have the ringers in the audience actually circulating and at each flash have their face disturbingly close to an audience members face, wearing a maniacal grin. Of course, in real life, people doing that would get the shit kicked out of them by frightened play-goers. If there was a way to do it without putting the ringers in harm's way, though, it would be interesting. Of course, this is becoming less a play and more a haunted house. But that's awfully cool too. When's the last time a haunted house was REALLY disturbingly frightening? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Russell [c-jeffru@amazon.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind Having the audience sign waivers would potentially even get the show in the local news and guarantee a full house. I was in a production of Macbeth (evil grins to the superstitious) once where we started the show with a warning announcement to the audience regarding strobe effects, smoke, combat in the aisles, etc. There was always a nervous murmur that rippled through the audience afterward. Started the show off right every night :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Chris Womack Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:12 AM To: DGML Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind Hey-- on 4/24/02 10:02 AM, Marshall Gatten at marshall@thegattens.com wrote: > Another thought that I had was to have the ringers in the audience actually > circulating and at each flash have their face disturbingly close to an > audience members face, wearing a maniacal grin. Of course, in real life, > people doing that would get the shit kicked out of them by frightened > play-goers. If there was a way to do it without putting the ringers in harm's > way, though, it would be interesting. Here's a simple solution: market it not as a simple play, but as performance art, some kind of "unique entertainment experience." Get the audience to sign waivers. Then before the curtain rises, strap them to their seats. C _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jürgen Hubert [jhubert@gmx.de] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Israeli Spy Ring in the US? > I really don't know why people find this sort of thing so surprising. The > division of the world into 'friends' and 'enemies' is a highly artificial > one. Every government is, or should be, first and foremost attempting to > further the interests of its own people. That's what we pay our taxes for, > after all. Any country that tells its 'friends' and 'allies' everything is > misguided and any country that believes that its 'friends' and 'allies' tell > it everything is naive. What upsets many nations - like Germany, for example - is that they are so hopelessly behind in "spying one one's allies" that they will never catch on to the USA... ;-) - Jürgen Hubert -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of H. Todd J. Moore [htoddjmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:59 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Ghostbusting (was Dark Theatre) [snip] > "Back off man! I'm a scientist." > ---- Peter Venkman Some time ago, someone called me and said he wanted me to be a part of his paranormal investigatorial group. I got nothing out of the group, didn't get a chance to go out on any haunt-searches (well, not with that group), but I DID get some business cards, stating that I was a paranormal investigator. I gave some of these out as jokes to friends. Unfortunately they kept them as my contact cards, and at least one of these folks' secretaries uses the card as my official contact card. So, I got dubbed "The Ghostbuster" by the secretary. Which was fine... but when I called and said my name was Peter Venkman, she lost serious points by not recognizing the name. Todd ===== In Xanadu did Kubla Khan Gyre and gimble in the wabe Where Alphe the Sacred River Ran Through caverns measureless to man, And the mome raths outgrabe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ghostbusting (was Dark Theatre) In a message dated 4/24/02 12:00:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, htoddjmoore@yahoo.com writes: > > ---- Peter Venkman > > > So, I got dubbed "The Ghostbuster" by > the secretary. Which was fine... but when I called and > said my name was Peter Venkman, she lost serious > points by not recognizing the name. > > For those that have not puzzled this out yet, my e-mail name (Bomias1) is derived from that quote: (B)ack (O)ff (M)an! (I)'m (A) (S)cientist. Plus the number one, as in ECTO1. The Thug Whisperer "Back off man! I'm a scientist." ---- Peter Venkman From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Daly [johnd_iv@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Child Murders --- Thoth Amon wrote: > And so it was written: <> > Some time ago I used to take beginners at Karate. A > small number of females > who trained at the club turned out to have violent > boyfriends, for whom they > would always make excuses e.g. "he's only violent > when I do something > wrong". I always said a small prayer that one day > the abusers would get > their just rewards, or even stop by the dojo to try > their mind games. A > happy moment came when one lady, who'd been training > for around a year, > proudly announced that her partner had moved out - > to hospital. I'm sorry for interrupting, but this one calls for a Hoody Hoo! HOODY HOO!! > > >ObDG: That kind of desperation, where does it come > from? What does it > >mean? Why can such dark deeds be committed in it's > name? Who, or what, is > >behind it, chuckling madly in the background? > > I don't think there is an ObDG, and that's probably > the saddest and scariest > part of such behaviour - there is no cosmic > significance or greater meaning > in such actions. Human nature, desperation, > loneliness and isolation can > drive you to horrible extremes. > > The deep black well known as the human psyche > contains a lot of twisted, > f**ked up excuses for behaviour outside the norm - > it only requires the fall > of the right series of psychological dominoes to > push you into the > blackness. > A couple of things that could be worked into elements of DG might be the "Victim becomes the abuser" element. Believe it or not, the Werewoof sourcebook "Rage Against New York" has a great organization of evil bastards who use the "Black" energy caused by systematic abuse as a method of summoning critters. One of the tenets of the group is "The Victim becomes the Abuser", which we frequently see in abuse cases. Alternately, you could focus on the Controlling elements of an abusive male personality by having him become a dark Necromancer interested in control on a subatomic scale. The way I figure it, most molestors get what's coming to them in prison, and become some bad man's boyfriend. Just a few dark thouughts John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind > I was thinking that the second act might be > performed with the aid of active > night vision goggles. what would a passive nvg be? (By the way, I'm picturing the Yellow > Sign really being > EVERYWHERE during this flash. Have something rigged > up on the ceiling so > that lots of the signs can be lowered right in front > of the faces of the > audiences, and then snatched up right after the > flash so that no flailing > arms can catch any. This means that the crewmen in > the catwalks will also be > needing the goggles.) might be easier to use some multi-lens lighting equipment, e.g. a planetarium projektor (could be run on fast forward till the stars are right, too) or a scanner/mirror combination. > > The third act is more problematic. With the flashes > coming faster and > faster, the goggles will be useless and in the way. if the "yellow sign flash" is flashy enough, average eyes will need about 30 minutes to fully restore night vision. for the first five minutes or so low blue lighting won´t be recognized by the audience . The > players are bringing > themselves into position for each flash, but no more > than that. I'm > picturing lots of rehearsals of the last act with > the players' eyes closed > until they can do it perfectly. If they keep their > eyes closed during the > real production, then they also wont get dazzled. or let the the players act with one of these rapidly flashing spotlights (can´t remember the name), perhaps with a blue filter too. even if the actors move, the movement will seem to be frozen/broken in single stills. > > A thought: there is no actual overlap of the two > stories--when > > a flash goes off, everything goes momentarily > silent, as if somebody hit a > > mute button on the remote. The tableau of > insanity never really appeared. It was just a > figment of somebody's > imagination. or add rather subconscious stimuli. very deep frequency bass under the seats/floor, dog´s whistles or curtains dropped before the usually sonic-reflective walls that suddenly cut down the usual echoes (have you ever been to a acoustic lab? silence won´t really hurt, but you will feel uncomfortable). strange odours or streams of cold air might work too. festus __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Sie brauchen mehr Speicher für Ihre E-Mails? - http://premiummail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marshall Gatten [marshall@thegattens.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark Theatre of the Mind > a slow release of a bage of small feathers dyed bright red. > Not only will they feel like a soft touch or caress against > bare skin but may even cause mild insect freak outs among > the more phobic audience members. When the > strobes flashed the red of the fathers would also make it > seem that the audience and floor were spattered with blood. Wow. That's amazingly twisted. Would you mind if I worship you for a while? You could use those tiny little bits of downy so that even when people see for an instant that they're covered in something, they still aren't quite sure that they can feel it. Of course, cleaning it all off your clothes would be a serious pain in the neck, but hopefully the show would be worth it. So, who's gonna write the script? ;) Marshall _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/