Report #3270, Transcript Section #54
(Operation SANDMAN)
©2001 Shane Ivey
DATE: 13 June 1998 (debriefed 27 APR
2001)
AGENTS: Mark (Brian Lundquist, DOJ),
Michael (John Rogers, CIA), Marlow (David Kelley, aka Sam Dee, CIA)
FRIENDLIES: Michael Cabot, CIA; Barry
Knight, PI; Oliver Keen, NSA.
SUMMARY: Operation SANDMAN,
debriefing transcript 54: Franklin Garoux and Peppy Hekman
CASE STATUS: Open
Keeper:
"Previously, on Operation: SANDMAN..."
Keeper:
If I recall correctly, Rogers and Lundquist were at the church, having
just made the secretary cry.
Rogers:
:-)
Lundquist:
She had it comin
Keeper:
While Kelley and Knight managed to abduct Peppy the lowlife drug dealer
and bring him to the safe-house.
Rogers:
The church got all weird on us as well
Keeper:
Rogers and Lundquist got on the phone to the safe-house after Rogers sensed
some strange vibes in the church. Kelley and Keen grabbed their gear and
started driving, leaving Knight to guard Peppy and the house.
Lundquist:
We're gonna misroute an ARCLIGHT sortie onto the church later.
Keeper:
So... Rogers and Lundquist: Are you doing anything in the time it takes
Kelley and Keen to arrive?
Lundquist:
Keeping an eye on things... Who shows up, who leaves, does the roof explode,
things like that.
Rogers:
Car is of course ready to drive off we don';t have to three point turn
or anything
Keeper:
About ten minutes into your wait, a beat-up old sedan drives up at high
speed and pulls to a quick stop in the church parking lot, right in front
of your car.
Lundquist:
I note the license plate.
Keeper:
A man gets out - in his mid-thirties, black, clean-cut, looking angry
- and walks toward you, glaring.
Keeper:
He yells as he walks: "What are you doing here? What are you doing at
this place?!"
Lundquist:
Keeper, we're on the street, right?
Lundquist:
Not parked in the church lot.
Rogers:
Rogers looks around ready to drive off if he has to
Keeper:
You're in the church parking lot, ready to drive out.
Keeper:
(I thought.)
Lundquist:
We roll out and park on the street instead.
Lundquist:
(should have done that already)
Keeper:
The man steps away from your tires as you pull out, but he walks alongside
your car, still yelling.
Lundquist:
I crack my window. "Step away from the car please, sir."
Keeper:
"Don't you 'SIR' me! I'm not in the way of your car. I want to know, WHY
are you people here, bothering this church and that woman you just terrorized?
Tell me that!"
Lundquist:
"Thank you, please stay back."
Keeper:
He keeps pace with the car as you park on the street. "Are you going to
answer me? Tell me what's been done wrong in this place! Tell me why you're
trying to bring misery to this church! TELL ME!"
Lundquist:
I step out of the car as soon as we're on the public street, instead of
the lot.
Lundquist:
I look this punk in the eye and stare him down.
Lundquist:
"We're not terrorizing anybody. You must be mistaken.
Lundquist:
"We're not interested in the church. We're trying to stop the drug trade
around here."
Keeper:
He stands his ground and glares. "I know for a FACT you people were just
inside that church, HARASSING the young woman who works there... DRUG
trade? Drug trade? If you're looking for the drug trade, I can tell you
where to find it. NOT in THIS CHURCH!"
Rogers Gets out of the car and waits next to the drivers door
Lundquist:
"Really?" I take out a note pad. "We suspect that some law enforcement
agents might be involved in illegal narcotics trade. We're looking for
information on that. Do you know anything about it?"
Keeper:
"No, I don't know anything about it! Why don't you ask that cop who shot
my friend, Carl Williams? Maybe HE can tell you something about that.
Because nobody in this church is buying drugs from any police!"
Keeper:
Keen, you and Kelley pull around a corner, down the street from the church.
You see Lundquist and Rogers standing next to their car, talking to an
angry-looking man.
Keen:
ok we park at a distance and observer whats going on.
Keeper:
Kelley checks the mirrors, looks around outside. "Won't be any fun if
we have to throw down in that church in broad daylight.."
Keen:
right, i'm sure that would draw lots of attention
Keen:
we keep our eyes open for anything suspicious
Keeper:
He shakes his head, smiling grimly as he watches the others ahead. "Then
again, we've shot up a voodoo cult, a hospital, a farm, and an office
building. Might as well add a church to the list."
Keen:
does everyone have mics/wires?
Keeper:
(I think so - that's standard operating procedure with this group.)
Rogers:
Yep ever since a strange encounter in a coffee shop
Keen:
ok, good so we can listen in on their conversation
Keeper:
Right. If Lundquist ever gets back and finishes it...
Keen:
what time of day is it
Rogers:
early evening around 6 I think
Keen:
ok
Keeper:
Right. Saturday, late afternoon/early evening. Still a couple hours until
sunset.
Keeper:
Rogers, you spot Kelley and Keen's car down the street a couple of blocks.
Keeper:
It's pulled over, facing you and stopped.
Rogers:
"They may not know anything about it - but what about the people in their
program you so sure of them? Could they be dealing out of the church?"
Keeper:
He looks at you like you're from another planet. "NO. Nobody is dealing
anything out of this church. This is a house of GOD!"
Rogers:
"Yeah but used ny people who are fallible"
Keeper:
He shakes his head and holds a hand up. "Don't you deign to preach to
me! I'm telling you, nobody in this church is involved in drugs, and you
people are wasting your time if you're trying to catch dealers here. Now
why don't you just move on?"
Rogers:
"Whats your name sir?"
Keeper:
"My name is Franklin Garoux, and I've not done any wrong here, either.
Now just move on. Move on! There's enough pain in this church already!"
Rogers:
"This is a public highway and we are going about our business" "Get out
of my face."
Rogers Indicates to Lundquiest to get in the car
Keeper:
He takes a step back, but doesn't leave. "I'm not in your way. You can
leave whichever way you want. But I won't give up my right to be here,
and to speak the truth to you who need it!"
Rogers:
"Your obstructing us in our duty by being in our face we could have you
arrested."
Rogers:
(keeper can we be seen from the church?)
Rogers ducks his head into the car and say to his mike:
Keeper:
"Arrested? Go right ahead! Go on! You and I both know I'm not doing any
wrong. Put me in jail! I've had enough. Death and drugs and cops doing
more harm than anybody! Take me in, or go on your way! Go on!"
Keeper:
(Yeah, the church is behind an ordinary iron rail fence, you can see it
clearly.)
Rogers:
"Kelly Keen I want to take this guy with us get ready to come grab him"
Rogers:
(that was so he couldn't hear Keeper)
Keeper:
He's too busy yelling to hear.
Rogers:
"Are you going to get out of my face?"
Keeper:
Keen, Kelley fires up the ignition and glances at you. "Want to do the
honors?"
Rogers raises an arm and signals kelly and keen
Keen into the wireless, thats a copy Rogers
Keen:
yeah i'll strong arm him into the backseat
Keeper:
Rogers, Garoux is still on the sidewalk, about six feet away. "Well? Well?"
Keeper:
Kelley puts the car in drive and pulls forward at the green light, through
the intersection and toward the church, going right around the slow, slow
speed limit.
Rogers:
"Well your obstructing two federal agents in the performance of their
duties so I am placing you under arrest - up against the car!" "Legs Spread
arms on the roof - no sudden movements."
Keeper:
As he reaches the church, he pulls to the left, against the curb, right
in front of Garoux and the other car.
Keen:
i hop out and run around to garoux
Keen:
i assume Rogers has him up on the car now
Keeper:
Garoux lifts his hands compliantly as Rogers gives the order, then he
sees the other car pull up and Keen come out. His eyes widen. He turns
and runs for it.
Keen:
i pursue, and given the chance i grapple him
Keeper:
He has a short lead, and he's moving desperately - he's still a few yards
out of reach a few seconds later, when he reaches the corner and heads
around it.
Keeper:
Rogers, what are you doing?
Rogers:
"Leave him run he's just not worth the effort - maybe next time"
Keen:
ok, i stop pursuit
Keeper:
OK... Garoux heads around the corner and out of sight.
Keen:
ok so we lost Garoux, now what
Keeper:
Good question. What do you guys do?
Rogers:
"Now its back to the bat cave but first things first - Kelly anywhere
around here you can keep an eye on the church - got your equipment?"
Keen:
guess we dont what to enter the church and check out the basement?
Rogers:
"We're not going anywhere near that place yet - I want to interrogate
our friend - I just want to be sure nothing is moved out of there"
Rogers:
"Or in there"
Keeper:
Kelley looks around. "We could set up somewhere around here, but it will
take a while to get into position. Best to wait for nightfall."
Rogers:
"OK so back to base then lets go before we attract any more attention."
Keen:
ok
Keeper:
You pack up and drive off... twenty minutes later, you reach the safehouse.
Rogers:
"Lets get him into a nice safe room and get him searched first"
Rogers:
"Get his laces as well no suicides here" "Kelly scare the shit out of
him"
Keeper:
Kelley shakes his head. "No need. We've still got the Versed. I doped
him up before we left - he ought to be ready to talk by now. Ask him whatever
you want."
Keen:
I ask him where he gets his DM from?
Keeper:
Peppy - early 20s, short and wiry, black with dark skin and unkempt hair
- looks up a little blearily. "What you say?"
Keen:
who are you getting your Dreaming Man from
Keeper:
"Aw, man, you don't want to know 'bout all that... Get it from the Three
C's, you know, but that don't come from ME. That's just between us, you
know, off the record, I ain't havin' any of them crazy motherfuckers come
after me, sayin' Peppy brought the cops around, cuz EVERYbody knows if
you want the DM, you get the 3C, you know..."
Keeper:
His bleary chatter trails off.
Keen:
who do they get it from?
Keen:
i look at kelly, "he out cold or what"
Keeper:
Kelley shakes his head. "Just a little twitchy. He'll be all right."
Keeper:
Peppy looks up, a little confused. "Say... Don't I get my lawyer in here?"
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