DG PODCAST: PALMERRUNSGAMES
Interview with Palmer Mowlam about the PalmerRunsGames Youtube channel and the "How To Run..." series on Delta Green Scenarios.
September 14, 2026All Posts
REPORT #3269: ARMY OF THE THIRD EYE
This report relates to PISCES and the Army of the Third Eye. They are both described in Delta Green: The Millennium which is now available in PDF or hardcover editions.
September 14, 2026
DG PODCAST DROP: DEAD LETTER BUREAU AND NICK SAYERS
Today we're talking to Nick Sayers, host of Dead Letter Bureau. We discuss the show's origins, major campaign arcs, and future plans. We drill down on the behind-the-scenes of making a Delta Green actual-play, the use of music, maintenance of tone, and the
September 08, 2026
OPERATION EARL GREY CHATLOG
Adam Scott Glancy ran "EARL GREY" on AOL in early 1997. It involved PISCES and the Army of the Third Eye, which would feature prominently in 1999's Delta Green: Countdown and is now available in Delta Green: The Millennium in PDF or hardcover editions.
September 07, 2026
THE WAY IT WENT DOWN: YOU CAN'T GO BACK
A new mini-story for Delta Green
September 05, 2026
DC DROP: CHORUS GAMES 4
Returned from the booby-trapped shell company, Sullivan and Snake join Seth and Dr. Finkelstein to visit the game studio's biggest investor. They are about witness just how serious this games business can get.
September 03, 2026
REPORT #3274: OPERATION EARL GREY
DATE: 25 July 1998 SUMMARY: Report on Cell Y's disastrous operation in the United Kingdom, resulting in the Cell A advisory for all agents to avoid the UK.
August 31, 2026
MORE NEW ART FOR MACHINATIONS
Some more art for the upcoming Delta Green: Machinations (containing Machination of the Mi-Go, the Fate, and Project Rainbow).
August 24, 2026
DC DROP: CHORUS GAMES 3
The team follows the wreckage of a dozen men to Austin, TX and the headquarters of Chorus Games. As they probe the tech company's bizarre history, financials, and staffing, suspicion narrows on a small group - the PQ team.
August 13, 2026
THE KING IN YELLOW RED BOOK (1951)
On 22 FEB 1951, a Delta Green agent named Emmet Moseby was tasked with poring through paperwork recovered in World War II...
August 10, 2026
DC DROP: CHORUS GAMES 2
The team begins to share their suspicions of their mutilated victim in our members-only AP podcast series.
August 05, 2026
THE COVER TO DELTA GREEN: INCURSIONS
The cover for an upcoming hardcover collection of scenarios (Convergence, Puppet Shows, New Age, Artifact Zero, Owlshead Mountain, Holy War and Grace Under Pressure).
July 23, 2026
'HOLY WAR' THREATENS TO CONSUME DELTA GREEN
Arc Dream Publishing has reluctantly released a massive scenario for Delta Green: The Role-Playing Game. Written by Adam Scott Glancy and illustrated by Dennis Detwiller, Delta Green: Holy War sees your players' Agents pursuing evils that only rise and expand and spread beyond every sane horizon. Download Delta
July 09, 2026
NEW ART FOR MACHINATIONS
MILLENNIUM is out in PDF, and has gone to press. Whew! That was a big one. Now that I've finished illustrations for SHOTGUN SCENARIOS, I've moved on to illustrating MACHINATIONS — the book on the Mi-Go, The Fate and Project RAINBOW.
July 08, 2026
DC DROP: CHORUS GAMES 1
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: CONTENT WARNING: The events of this game make reference to the Epstein Files. The crimes of Jeffery Epstein and his accomplices are not the topic of this scenario: the AP avoids all descriptions of violence against children, victims, or perpetrators.
July 06, 2026
DC DROP: THE FORSAL CONUNDRUM - PART 4
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: The plates begin spinning out of control as the team splits between degaussing more individuals, hunting reappeared scientists, and covering up their previous crimes. Who will be first to break?
July 03, 2026
DC DROP: THE FORSAL CONUNDRUM - PART 3
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: With the victims/patients of their first "degaussing" en route, the team spreads out to find anyone else contaminated. A drone ping sends them deep into Stanton's woods, home to predators cosmic and base.
June 24, 2026
DC DROP: THE FORSAL CONUNDRUM - PART 2
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Agents report the weirdness corrupting everything they find in Stanton, WA, convincing the Program to send back-up. After "Catalina" arrives, the team learns about an invisible poison far more pervasive and deadly than any arsenic-laced soil.
June 18, 2026
OPERATIONAL HISTORY PART I (ROUGH TEXT)
Who else does this? Here's all 193 pages of DELTA GREEN: OPERATIONAL HISTORY PART I: 1928-1960. It's going through copy edit now (sorry, Greg). Enjoy the first 32 years of Delta Green.
June 13, 2026
'THE MILLENNIUM' ERUPTS FOR DELTA GREEN
Delta Green: Countdown debuted in 2000 to universal acclaim. It would spend decades atop lists of the greatest RPG books of all time. Reviewers called it "truly great," "as close to perfect as you will find," "an extraordinary work of horror," and "not
June 10, 2026
DC DROP: THE FORSAL CONUNDRUM - PART 1
"The FORSAL Conundrum" is written by Greg Stolze, intended for the Final Passages collection of tie-in scenarios for The Labyrinth. This recording was run using the playtest draft distributed in April 2026.
May 27, 2026
OPERATIONAL HISTORY UPDATE
Some good news on OPERATIONAL HISTORY PART I: 1928-1960. It's gone through full copy edit, and edit and rewrite.
May 25, 2026
BROADALBIN T-SHIRT
Artwork for a t-shirt in the works here at Arc Dream of our favourite hotel. The front looks like this, the back will be emblazoned with "WHERE IS MY BOTTLE?" We'll still working on the particulars.
May 08, 2026
TIME IS THE KILLER IN 'ARTIFACT ZERO'
Order the paperback for yourself or your store, and download the PDF with handouts. They'll never know you were here.
May 08, 2026
THE DELTA GREEN COSMIC HORROR BUNDLE!
Get in on the Delta Green Cosmic Horror RPG bundle from fanatical.com now! For 30 days, get 4 ebooks for $1, 12 ebooks for $6.99 and 34 ebooks for $14.99; including GOD'S TEETH and IMPOSSIBLE LANDSCAPES.
May 07, 2026
DC DROP: ZOONOTIC
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: "The birds...the birds are wrong."
May 07, 2026
ARC DREAM AT GENCON 2026
The 2026 GenCon Events have been published! If you're attending, every panel I'm hosting for Arc Dream is listed above, or you can search "Arc Dream Publishing" in the Event Catalog. ATTENTION FELLOW DG CREATORS: If you're also creating in Delta Green
May 03, 2026
THE STATE OF THE ONION
Exclusive updates on the state of various Delta Green projects.
April 30, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 11
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Task Force VLAD decides to let the new apocalypse wait in order to spring its trap on Knepier. In the final confrontation, the Agents play kingmaker in a cosmic game with rules they can never hope to understand.
April 27, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 10
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: The Agents travel to upstate New York, attempting to head off Knepier by beating the mad man to his target in the Catskills. They remain conscripts in an ancient war, its new front cut into our reality from the drowned depths of a lake...
April 21, 2026
Delta Green Haunts the Slopes of 'Owlshead Mountain'
It's time to deal with the threat of Owlshead Mountain once and for all. Does that mean a crazy outlaw who should be long dead, or...something worse?
April 03, 2026
THE ARMY OF THE THIRD EYE: A PREVIEW OF 'THE MILLENNIUM'
Whenever possible, the spray-painted slogan “THE ARMY IS COMING” would be left as a calling card.
March 30, 2026
PISCES: A PREVIEW OF 'THE MILLENNIUM'
Its officers quietly sought out paranormal threats to neutralize and study. Few allowed themselves to ask what might be the most appalling question of all: Whom do we really serve?
March 28, 2026
PX POKER NIGHT DESCENDS INTO MADNESS ON VTT
Gather a few friends. Their characters are ready to play. Who knows? They might survive til morning.
March 26, 2026
THE INSECTS FROM SHAGGAI
"These Shan are young and have at least a thousand years to bring their plans to fruition. How can the humans possibly stop them?"
March 24, 2026
THE UNNATURAL ENGINE
For a long time now, I've been working on and running my own Delta Green games with something I call THE UNNATURAL ENGINE. It is a streamlined version of the Delta Green rules...
March 16, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 9
Knepier's attacks have overturned foundational pillars of New York's occult underworld, and the Agents of Task Force VLAD must survive the ongoing collapse. Can they navigate the chaos and see their mission finished, or were they always pawns in a larger game?
March 16, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 8
DEC 25, 2001: NYC's Christmas starts off with a bang. As VLAD tracks their quarry through the smoking chaos, the gears of the Fate grind into terrible motion. Knepier's attack sets off a chain reaction amongst the city's ancient powers, one the Agents can never hope to control.
March 11, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 7
Task Force VLAD takes the bait and enter Club Apocalypse to deliver Anton Merriweather's prize. Belial, the Lord of Life, wants to know how the feds got on his coveted guest list.
February 25, 2026
EGASSEM EHT
Stop now. Stop now. Stop now.
February 16, 2026
THE MESSAGE
Testing. Testing. Testing.
February 16, 2026
'THE NEW AGE' FIRST PLAYTEST
The New Age playtest ran for six months, March to September. And we kept the full transcripts: hours and hours of the oldest of old-school Delta Green gaming.
February 16, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 6
Desperate for an edge against their elusive prey, Griskiewisz, Turner, and Driscoll execute Merriweather's bloody favor. On a stakeout across town, Agent Boone meets an unlikely ally.
February 13, 2026
DG MICROCON INFESTS KAMCON IN BC IN SEPTEMBER 2026
Corner us there. We have nowhere to retreat.
February 09, 2026
'DELTA GREEN: THE NEW AGE' NOW AVAILABLE
Find your true light!
February 05, 2026PROOF OF LIFE: ARTIFACT ZERO AND OWLSHEAD MOUNTAIN
A sneak peek at DELTA GREEN: ARTIFACT ZERO and OWLSHEAD MOUNTAIN in print. 40 and 44 pages of unrelenting horror, coming soon!
February 05, 2026PROOF OF LIFE: THE NEW AGE
A sneak peek at DELTA GREEN: THE NEW AGE, in print. 64 pages of unrelenting horror, coming soon!
January 30, 2026
SNEAK PREVIEW: TAKING WORK HOME WITH YOU
Here's 15 or so pages for an upcoming scenario for DELTA GREEN: DEEP STATE, called TAKING WORK HOME WITH YOU. It concerns the unnatural research of an analyst on the very fringes of March Technology and a last minute raid that uncovers a decade of horrors.
January 29, 2026
DELTA GREEN IN 2025–2026
We've been busy. PUBLISHED IN 2025 OR ABOUT TO SHIP * February 2025: God’s Light, paperback & PDF * March 2025: Agent’s Handbook for VTT * March 2025: Extremophilia for VTT * April 2025: God’s Hunt, hardback & PDF * July 2025: International Digital Assets Pack * August 2025: God’s
January 26, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 5
Dr. Griskiewisz is disciplined for the slap at Ground Zero, but not for long. Both Delta Green and the recently-intrigued Network want her piece back on the board...
January 20, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 4
Something very much like Knepier is still alive and still killing. VLAD follows the trail of bodies to the "stricken city in the east," hunting for the right questions in the sorcerer's bloody trail.
January 14, 2026
'OBSERVER EFFECT' COMES TO VTT
Delta Green: Observer Effect has long been available in paperback and PDF, and in the acclaimed collection A Night at the Opera. Now you can play it online on Roll20 and Foundry. If we look too deeply into the roiling chaos of reality, chaos may look back. The Olympian Holobeam
January 08, 2026
NEW ART FOR MILLENNIUM AND OPERATIONAL HISTORY
6 new pieces of art for MILLENNIUM and OPERATIONAL HISTORY.
January 05, 2026
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 3
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Nine dead: five deputies, three civilians, and a naked lunatic in a bomb vest. The streets of Phoenix are on lockdown. Boone and Turner must deal with the fallout of their confrontation with Knepier.
December 16, 2025
NEW ART
New art for two books: 1.
December 15, 2025
144 PAGES OF OPERATIONAL HISTORY
Not finished yet but SO CLOSE. This book is a bear. So many details, interrelationships, and cross-references that need to line up. Still, it has survived scrutiny by Ken Hite which fills me with a security and a joy I cannot express.
December 06, 2025
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 2
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Task Force VLAD flies to Phoenix and catches up on the case of Johannes Knepier. They need all the intel they can get, as they soon find themselves embroiled in a war that started long before they were born...
December 05, 2025
DC DROP: HOLY WAR 1
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: As the holiday season approaches and the US rushes into the War on Terror, four Agents are pulled from their homes for an urgent operation.
November 22, 2025
HOLY WAR: THE WEAPON
Adam Scott Glancy's classic scenario Holy War is about a schism that drives like a stake into the hearts of two deadly cults. It has gotten a lot of attention as we adapt it for publication for Delta Green: The RPG.
November 18, 2025
HOLY WAR: RESEARCHING NYARLATHOTEP
(An excerpt from the upcoming update and adaptation of Adam Scott Glancy's scenario "Holy War." I thought it would be amusing to offer Agents a chance to learn a little about the forces they face. Too often we keep the heart of the unnatural away from the Agents.
November 08, 2025
NEW ART FOR MILLENNIUM
Fans of DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN will recognize these updated paintings for DELTA GREEN: MILLENNIUM concerning the King In Yellow.
November 05, 2025
INTERSECT: DEAD DRAFT
Fans of Dead Channels may have heard our recent “Intersect” AP. The document attached contains the writing I used to run that campaign. At this point, there is no plan to publish this material for anyone besides Dead Channels patrons and Ghost subscribers. This is a dead draft.
November 04, 2025
DC DROP: INSIDE THE REVOLUTION
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Agents are temporarily employed by the Committee of Consumer and Labor Protections (CCLP). The CCLP is a new organization, founded only two years previous at the conclusion of the Second American Civil Conflict (SACC).
October 27, 2025
DC DROP: INTERSECT 6
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: DEA's Edmund Alton has mere hours before the full resources of the Program arrive to annihilate his team. If he can't roll up the I-Sect organization before then, there's nothing to keep Lammy, Paz, and Quincy alive.
October 15, 2025
OPERATIONAL HISTORY: HORRORS, SURREAL AND SECRET
Some more content for DELTA GREEN: OPERATIONAL HISTORY. For those not in the know, OH is a deep dive into EVERY NAMED DELTA GREEN OPERATION to date (and some not named). The first volume covers 1928-1960 and it has grown into a bona fide monster.
October 13, 2025
NEW ART FOR HOLY WAR
Currently in layout, HOLY WAR is a scenario by Scott Glancy that puts the players in the midst of a battle between Great Old Ones, and which focuses on the Fate, the New York occult crime conspiracy.
October 08, 2025
A TREAT: JOHN TYNES' OUTLINE FOR THE KING IN YELLOW CAMPAIGN
I had the joy of playing in a few sessions of John Tynes' original crack at his KING IN YELLOW campaign (which sadly never came to fruition) way back in the dim, dead days of the early 1990s.
October 08, 2025
NEW ART: HOLY WAR, OWLSHEAD MOUNTAIN, OPERATIONAL HISTORY
Horrifying images from horrifying operations.
September 18, 2025
DC DROP: INTERSECT 5
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Paz, Quincy, and...Lammy(?) attend the Boukman Rifle Club and learn exactly what kind of group P.E.M.A conceals. Meanwhile, a terrifying new name on their dossier sends Alton on a trip to "the North Pole."
September 12, 2025
THE NEW AGE PREVIEW
The stars are urged to rightness and the Old Ones awaken on the worlds that Ghroth passes.
September 08, 2025
DELTA GREEN: HANDLER'S SCREEN BACK IN PRINT
KEEP HORRORS FROM THE PLAYERS' EYES The four sturdy panels of this Handler’s Screen stretch across your table like an unsassailable barrier between what we perceive and what is real, between the known and the incomprehensible, between the players and their Handler. Each interior panel presents the Handler
September 04, 2025
TRUE SOUTH: A DELTA GREEN SCENARIO FOR GET IN THE TRUNK LIVE
Six Agents of Delta Green live and work at Hydra Station, high on the Antarctic Plateau. Something within and around them is stirring.
August 29, 2025
INNSMOUTH MAP IN COLOR
Someone asked for the Innsmouth map I made for OPERATIONAL HISTORY but without the color desaturation and print-look; here it is! This map was created using Lovecraft's hand-drawn map of Innsmouth and complies with his vision of the layout and size of the town. DOWNLOAD THE HI-RES MAP NOW!
August 26, 2025
COLD FLESH (A REQUEST)
Someone requested a post on info regarding Dr. Javier Muñoz's scientific method of extending life (as seen in H.P. Lovecraft's COOL AIR) in the world of Delta Green...
August 15, 2025
DC DROP: INTERSECT 4
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Paz and Lammy infiltrate People's Exchange Mutual Aid and hunt the green box robbers. Ember plays dumb, laundering the intel she skims off her friend Renko.
August 14, 2025
DC DROP: ARC DREAM AND DELTA GREEN PANEL - GENCON 2025
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Caleb Stokes, Ross Payton, and Kenneth Hite joined together at GenCon 2025 to answer questions about all things Delta Green and discuss Arc Dream's upcoming Black Company RPG.
August 08, 2025
TALES FROM THE MAJESTIC-12
After the crash of an apparent alien vehicle in the deserts of New Mexico in 1947, MAJESTIC-12 grew like a malignant tumor out of the ruins of American intelligence until it subsumed the entire government. By 1979, it was unopposed and the levers and controls it had on the government were total.
August 05, 2025
DC DROP: INTERSECT 3
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Renko trades intel for the life of Quincy Terrell, but the former DEA undercover investigator finds her rescue conditional to conscription. The Outlaws need to find out who else penetrated their security and how.
July 21, 2025
NEW ART FOR DELTA GREEN: MILLENNIUM
Weird scenes inside the goldmine of our forthcoming book.
July 16, 2025
DC DROP: INTERSECT 2 - PROLOGUE H-CELL
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: The members of H-Cell try to get back to normal: amateur eye surgery, phonetic rituals, spying on each other. Then, A-Cell finds the mission that Lammy was born to complete.
July 12, 2025
OPERATIONAL HISTORY PREVIEW: ASHPILE, TOPSOIL, ADVANCE MAN AND GDANSK/NORTHWAY
THE LIMESTONE AIR FORCE BASE INCIDENT (1949) In 1948, artifacts recovered by U.S. Air Force personnel from a suspected UFO landing site in Greenland during operation ASHPILE were moved to Limestone Air Force Base (later Loring AFB), Maine.
July 06, 2025
'RELIQUARY': THE CLUB
"Reliquary" will probably be a coda in Falling Towers, counting coup and costs after the main campaign. I ran an early version for Dead Channels. That found many things to improve. I'll probably post a fuller version here sometime. This is the opening scene. —Shane Ivey
July 04, 2025
AFTER/MATH v2
Ever wonder what happens after Delta Green loses? Here's a new, play tested version of my End Times game, AFTER/MATH. Give it a spin, and let me know what you think. Listen...The parties started sometime in the last five years, though it's hard to remember when I first heard about them.
July 03, 2025
DC DROP: INTERSECT 1 - PROLOGUE RENKO
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Quincy Terrell just witnessed sand and soil assume the shape of woman and perform murder. There's a weeping neo-Nazi tied up in the back seat, and the rear bumper of the vehicle is still on fire. Fribble says they need to get off the road. Now.
June 23, 2025
APOLOGIES FROM DENNIS
My half of this channel has been quiet, and that's my fault. The only excuse I can really offer is two-fold, but I generally don't like to complain.
June 22, 2025
DC DROP: THE NEW AGE (PART 2B)
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: O-Cell infiltrates Enolsis HQ and finds the cult waiting with open arms. Welcome to the conclusion of The New Age.
June 02, 2025
DC DROP: THE NEW AGE (PART 2A)
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: O-Cell struggles to clean up the bloody mess caused by Ronald Valiant. DG tasks them with following his trail to Enolsis HQ in Tulsa. As they prepare for the operation, the Agents get the first glimpse of the true scale of their secret war.
May 23, 2025
COOTER MCGEE FROM A NIGHT ON OWLSHEAD MOUNTAIN
Over the past sixty years McGee’s body has advanced far beyond the scope of human evolution. His skin can deflect low-caliber bullets and his metabolism is nearly so efficient as to be self-contained.
May 12, 2025
DC DROP: THE NEW AGE (PART 1B)
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: As the cell convinces Senator DiTorrio to launch a sting operation against his own son, Agent OASIS finds her cover blown.
May 09, 2025DELTA GREEN AND ARC DREAM PRESENTS
The DG stay-behind operation of Caleb Stokes, Ross Payton, and Kenneth Hite will be in attendance at GenCon 2025. For all who want to hear the annual Arc Dream update face-to-face, bring your questions July 31st @ 8pm EDT in ICC: 244. For those who can't
May 06, 2025
NEW ART FOR HOLY WAR
When I ran the original "FATE" campaign, it was for my high school RPG group. Belial (the black suited man) and Johannes Kneiper (the grinning man) became legendary thorns in their sides.
April 23, 2025
DC DROP: THE NEW AGE (PART 1A)
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: July 1997: O-Cell arrives in St. Louis to investigate a mass casualty event at the home of retired Air Force Colonel Larry Daniels. Like the victims, the Agents soon learn the high costs of revelation.
April 15, 2025
READING ORDER: DELTA GREEN 'FICTION'
New readers often wonder what is the best order to follow the many books of Delta Green fiction, for lack of a better word. Here's the order we recommend. DENIED TO THE ENEMY Delta Green's early days in WW2. TALES FROM FAILED ANATOMIES Short stories that
April 10, 2025
NEW ART FROM ARTIFACT ZERO
From the updated version of this notorious operation.
April 04, 2025
DELTA GREEN: THE NEW AGE, ORIGINAL CHAT PLAYTEST
The very first appearance of Delta Green was in Pagan Publishing's zine The Unspeakable Oath #7 in the fall of 1992. It contained the first DG operation, Convergence. A few months later, in the spring of 1993, we began to playtest the second DG operation, The New Age.
April 04, 2025
DC DROP: RELIQUARY P3
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Seek the lighthouse upon the heights. What light of warning it now shines I cannot say. The keeper of the lighthouse sways not in the tides of waking lies and hate. He holds true to the the deeps.
April 04, 2025
CONTROLCOPY
DOWNLOAD CONTROLCOPY NOW... Arvan Chilton was a model agent for the Group. From 1991 to 2001, he used his position in Customs and Border Protection to assist, and when it came down to it, engage the forces of the unnatural.
March 25, 2025
THE DELTA GREEN HUMBLE BUNDLE GOES LIVE — TODAY, MAR 20, 11AM PDT
A DELTA GREEN HUMBLE BUNDLE goes live today at 11am PDT The bundle will launch Thursday, 3/20 at 11am Pacific and end on Thursday, 4/10 at 11am Pacific PDT. https://www.humblebundle.com/books/delta-green-rpg-vtt-fiction-collection-books It will have EVERYTHING from the modern
March 20, 2025
DC DROP: RELIQUARY P2
In this episode of our members-only AP podcast: Walk further into the Darkness. Walk that tunnel that smells still of the Dweller whose passage openeth the way through worlds and dreams. Seek the bitter light above. Climb to jungles thick and all too alive.
March 20, 2025
DIRECTIVE FROM A-CELL 113: WE'RE ALL OUTLAWS NOW
In this directive I’m going to describe the potential in-game effects of the chaos that grips the U.S. federal bureaucracy in 2025.
March 17, 2025